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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice
Date Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:56:31 GMT
FWIW my takeaway from the article is that mentoring is a more
effective way to facilitate change than any other type of 
social program.  I didn't put much stock into the child-raising
argument as it doesn't really apply to us: we deal with adults.


----- Original Message ----
> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:49:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice
> 
> Feh. Another screed about raising children from someone who has,  apparently,
> never met one.
> 
> Every parent I know has had the same  experience: hand some infant female a
> truck, and she rejects it. I'm  carefully choosing my words to avoid claiming
> that this is universal, as  opposed to extremely common.
> 
> My daughters were no exception. Attracted  like magnets, initially, to dolls
> -- and later interested in a variety of  subjects. The ballet dancer will
> probably not write the next Linux, but the  jury is still out the younger
> one.
> 
> The author just retypes the same  old tired stuff about kids and toys, when
> reality is much more  complicated.
> 
> People are born, it seems, with a complicated set of  predispositions, some
> of which are more or less strongly related to gender.  Toy stores sell what
> people buy, and some of what people buy is what their  kids pop out wanting.
> 
> On the other hand, the claim that pre-age-seven  play habits are causative of
> later decisions and preferences is supported in  this piece only by quoting a
> Jesuit. Even by the low standards of social  science, that's weak. It's also
> stupid, thoughless, determinism. It never  ceases to amaze me that any
> suggestion of generic influence rejects to the  point of offense, but the
> same writers assert that environmental effects are  cast into immutable
> stone.
> 
> Maybe women are just smarter and have  figured out that they can get more
> money for less work in  marketing?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> >  Indeed, and on my birthday no less.  Good  read.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > >  From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > >  To: dev@community.apache.org
> > >  Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 12:31:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [proposal]  integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of
> > practice
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep  16, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> >   wrote:
> > > > ...I think
> > > > we should remain open to  future initiatives,  even those that
> > > > present potential  "corrective" biases which favor  underrepresented
> > > >  groups....
> > >
> > > I agree with that.
> > >
> >  > About  women, I found this article very  interesting:
> >  > http://jolieodell.wordpress.com/2010/09/07/women-in-tech/
> >  >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 


      

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