Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 47828 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2010 14:44:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 20 Jul 2010 14:44:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 34260 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jul 2010 14:44:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 34148 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jul 2010 14:44:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 34136 invoked by uid 99); 20 Jul 2010 14:44:44 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:44:44 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [32.97.110.158] (HELO e37.co.us.ibm.com) (32.97.110.158) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:44:34 +0000 Received: from d03relay03.boulder.ibm.com (d03relay03.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.228]) by e37.co.us.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o6KEg5YD004178 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:42:05 -0600 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (d03av04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.170]) by d03relay03.boulder.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id o6KEhrEr109902 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:43:54 -0600 Received: from d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id o6KEhprT001497 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:43:51 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (sig-9-65-10-133.mts.ibm.com [9.65.10.133]) by d03av04.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id o6KEho2q001319; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:43:51 -0600 Message-ID: <4C45B623.7040608@sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:43:47 -0700 From: Kathey Marsden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@community.apache.org CC: women@apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o References: <4C407790.3080801@bristowhill.com> <4C40A8C9.1080206@bristowhill.com> <4C4213D8.3060202@bristowhill.com> <4C4385CD.4080409@apache.org> <4C447A53.6080200@bristowhill.com> <4C448A24.3090309@sbcglobal.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 7/19/2010 10:35 PM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote: > "So much emptiness, > even with the windows shut, > especially since no one ever lived inside. > How do we listen to silence > and learn to keep listening?" > > Empty Houses in Baja California > Poems No.27 > by Kenneth Liberman > (my friend and mentor) > I am not a fan of cross-posts but I guess I will respond to this one. I don't think it is how you meant it, but I really think that this poem is really an excellent description of women@ these many years, a silent house where no one ever lived inside. There was just no "there", there, and the current exercise was mostly to make sure the utilities were shut off and such. I don't think anyone on the existing list felt evicted or we would have heard from them by now. Your new interest in it is great, but it certainly would be healthier to start completely from scratch with a solid foundation. As Bertrand suggests, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that the lessons learned from the experiment can feed back into creating a list that really works, something with a defined purpose, a way of making it happen and a membership committed to doing so in the context of making great Apache software. Kathey