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From Anjana G Bhattacharjee <a.g.bhattachar...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o
Date Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:19:15 GMT
Hi Jean,

Thanks for replying to this here at women@ - the post was in response to a
message posted to women@ only, and so technically, my reply was necessarily
in response to the post at women@ and then cross-posted to dev@community,
rather than vice versa, with all due respect ;-)

Am conscious that there may be subscribers to women@ that have yet to decide
whether or not to bother subscribing to dev@community at this stage,
although may yet decide to do so as we speak.

So just to check:

   1. As moderator for this women@ list, do you know how many subscribers to
   women@ there are in total as at today?
   2. Can you tell how many are currently subscribers to both women@ and
   dev@community? And so can you work out how many subscribers will no
   longer be subscribed to either list if women@ were to be closed today?
   3. Would you then be able to compare this number to a possibly different
   number in, say, 7 days time?

Best, A


On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Jean T. Anderson <jta@bristowhill.com>wrote:

> Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote:
>
> <snip/>
>
>  Have just come across a curious parallel to this, perhaps, in the arena of
>> Golf tournament sponsorship - IBM sponsored "the Masters" (i.e. men's
>> only)
>> tournament in April this year with a flurry of justification [1] whilst
>> this
>> weekend's "Women's British Open" was left to its own devices, albeit
>> rather
>> carefully done imho [2]
>>
>> The equivalent explanation wanting here, therefore, is why IBM would
>> sponsor
>> the Masters whilst missing the "gender balancing" [3] opportunity to
>> sponsor
>> both for possibly marginal marginal cost afaik given the relevant
>> technologies would already have been tried and tested by then?
>>
>> More generally, what does "sponsorship" mean for a corporate like IBM in
>> this case - and what could it mean a next time around? Specifically, a
>> next
>> time around with regards open community development? For example, could HP
>> be our Ricoh?
>>
>>
>
> I doubt there's anyone subscribed to these apache lists who can speak on
> behalf of IBM -- or any other company, for that matter. I did a quick search
> at www.ibm.com and a better option might be for you to check the resources
> at http://www.ibm.com/diversity. There might be somebody you can contact
> with your questions/concerns.
>
> Please stop cross-posting to women@.  Once somebody on the infrastructure
> team frees up time to take care of
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2883 ,  posts to women@ will
> start auto-responding with a message to subscribe to dev@communityinstead.  It would
be confusing for a conversation on women@to stop midway, so best to keep the conversations
moving forward entirely on
> dev@community.
>
> That much said, I left women@ on this reply deliberately as a reminder to
> women@ subscribers that it will stop accepting posts sometime soon -- we
> don't know exactly when. So please subscribe to dev@community.Instructions are at
> http://community.apache.org.
>
> regards,
>
> -jean
>
> <snip/>
>
>  [1]
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/040610-ibm--the-masters-technology.html
>> [2] http://www.ricohwomensbritishopen.com/Ricoh.aspx
>> [3]
>>
>> http://www.openworldforum.org/attend/agenda/diversity-summit-why-women-matter
>> [4] http://www.rydercup.com/2010/
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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