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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@apache.org>
Subject Contributing positively to a meritocracy (was Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] roll women@a.o into dev@community.a.o)
Date Sat, 31 Jul 2010 11:23:57 GMT
This information you request can be harvested, but it takes time, a very precious commodity.
The information may already be published somewhere publicly (someone may point us in the right
direction if they are still reading). 

If your concern is about a lack of support for women in the ASF then please understand this
change gives a proper home for activities in support of all participants in the ASF.  

I would like to make a suggestion.  Why not help us celebrate the success of women here in
the ASF. Here at comdev we'd be really happy to publish a blog item on the increasing importance
of women here at the ASF. 

A little research into the achievements of women here in the ASF would, in my opinion, produce
very positive results. I'm sure folk here will be happy to help with thus kind of activity,
as long as you are willing to produce something of us to us, such as a celebratory blog post.


I think the ASF can be very proud of the many women who are driving our projects and foundation
forward. Let's not waste time on an activity which we have decided was not working and instead
celebrate and learn from the activities that are working.  

Sent from my mobile device.

On 31 Jul 2010, at 09:19, Anjana G Bhattacharjee <a.g.bhattacharjee@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jean,
> 
> Thanks for replying to this here at women@ - the post was in response to a
> message posted to women@ only, and so technically, my reply was necessarily
> in response to the post at women@ and then cross-posted to dev@community,
> rather than vice versa, with all due respect ;-)
> 
> Am conscious that there may be subscribers to women@ that have yet to decide
> whether or not to bother subscribing to dev@community at this stage,
> although may yet decide to do so as we speak.
> 
> So just to check:
> 
>   1. As moderator for this women@ list, do you know how many subscribers to
>   women@ there are in total as at today?
>   2. Can you tell how many are currently subscribers to both women@ and
>   dev@community? And so can you work out how many subscribers will no
>   longer be subscribed to either list if women@ were to be closed today?
>   3. Would you then be able to compare this number to a possibly different
>   number in, say, 7 days time?
> 
> Best, A
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Jean T. Anderson <jta@bristowhill.com>wrote:
> 
>> Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote:
>> 
>> <snip/>
>> 
>> Have just come across a curious parallel to this, perhaps, in the arena of
>>> Golf tournament sponsorship - IBM sponsored "the Masters" (i.e. men's
>>> only)
>>> tournament in April this year with a flurry of justification [1] whilst
>>> this
>>> weekend's "Women's British Open" was left to its own devices, albeit
>>> rather
>>> carefully done imho [2]
>>> 
>>> The equivalent explanation wanting here, therefore, is why IBM would
>>> sponsor
>>> the Masters whilst missing the "gender balancing" [3] opportunity to
>>> sponsor
>>> both for possibly marginal marginal cost afaik given the relevant
>>> technologies would already have been tried and tested by then?
>>> 
>>> More generally, what does "sponsorship" mean for a corporate like IBM in
>>> this case - and what could it mean a next time around? Specifically, a
>>> next
>>> time around with regards open community development? For example, could HP
>>> be our Ricoh?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> I doubt there's anyone subscribed to these apache lists who can speak on
>> behalf of IBM -- or any other company, for that matter. I did a quick search
>> at www.ibm.com and a better option might be for you to check the resources
>> at http://www.ibm.com/diversity. There might be somebody you can contact
>> with your questions/concerns.
>> 
>> Please stop cross-posting to women@.  Once somebody on the infrastructure
>> team frees up time to take care of
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-2883 ,  posts to women@ will
>> start auto-responding with a message to subscribe to dev@communityinstead.  It would
be confusing for a conversation on women@to stop midway, so best to keep the conversations
moving forward entirely on
>> dev@community.
>> 
>> That much said, I left women@ on this reply deliberately as a reminder to
>> women@ subscribers that it will stop accepting posts sometime soon -- we
>> don't know exactly when. So please subscribe to dev@community.Instructions are at
>> http://community.apache.org.
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> -jean
>> 
>> <snip/>
>> 
>> [1]
>>> 
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/040610-ibm--the-masters-technology.html
>>> [2] http://www.ricohwomensbritishopen.com/Ricoh.aspx
>>> [3]
>>> 
>>> http://www.openworldforum.org/attend/agenda/diversity-summit-why-women-matter
>>> [4] http://www.rydercup.com/2010/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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