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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice
Date Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:55:07 GMT
Lol.  Identity management, gender, and mailing list
sociology are all interesting components of the proposal,
but they don't mesh at all with how we normally think
about these things.

Anjana, if you want to keep exploring the boundaries
of what is possible with respect to those ideas and
how they all intersect, I encourage you to do so.  While
I don't recognize your name amongst our committer base,
realize that open source participation here is really
like attending a pot-luck dinner: bring something you're
sure others will appreciate, and don't bogart the potato
salad.  So proposals backed by commitments, or better yet
functional code, are going to get much different treatment
than pie-in-the-sky type offers.

Best of luck.  As one of the ASF sysadmins I've been waiting
for the women@ conversation to wind down before shutting off
that list, and am optimistic a more workable framework for
dealing with such interests will emerge from the comdev (this)
PMC via this list.

----- Original Message ----
> From: Shane Curcuru <>
> To:
> Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 8:36:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [proposal] integrating womAn@a.o into an Apache code of practice
> Anjana G Bhattacharjee wrote:
> > Just a note to mark 7 days since the date  of this proposal - thank you for
> > all responses so far - still listening  ;-) best, A
> Oh, sorry, I had thought it was an intellectual exercise to  spur some new 
>thoughts and get some random golf-related links into our archives  for some 
> -1, because we've shown numerous times that broadly  scoped mailing lists that 
>aren't controlled by a healthy PMC won't  work.
> -1 also because we have no need to provide anonymization services  like the 
>proposal notes the woman@ address would be used for.  While people  are free to 
>use whatever external email address for themselves they wish, the  ASF doesn't 
>need to provide an anonymous front-end for them.
> -  Shane
> P.S. Please remember that the women@ email list will be shut down  just as soon 
>as the infrastructure team finishes the JIRA ticket.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Anjana G Bhattacharjee  <
> >>  wrote:
> > 
> >> 20100722 / APORIA WORK / XIIX
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Previously at Apache, we  have had a list named "women@a.o" that both men
> >> and women have  posted and subscribed to at varying degrees of overt
> >>  participation.
> >> 
> >> Now, personally would like to propose  having a single email address, to be
> >> named "" that can be used by both  men and women to make a
> >> post.
> >> 
> >> This email  address would ostensibly be assigned to one person, e.g. me, to
> >>  start with, and once a working technical specification has been agreed,  
> >> possible, all other persons would be able to invoke use of it in  any
> >> situation where he/she/they sees fit and/or where he/she/they  may find it
> >> preferable to disclosing their usual email address at  the time of use,
> >> albeit in good faith.
> ...


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