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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: [All] Newbies and questioners: Please respect the policy of this list
Date Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:07:01 GMT
There's a welcome mail? ;)

Email overload is a general problem; the [foo] helps a bit but there
has to be a time at which all being on the same list doesn't scale.
Are commons-dev and commons-user fine currently? What if we fold all
of the other Jakarta projects into them. Still fine?

And yet there are huge benefits to sharing a list. Commons is all
about huge crossover between tiny communities - but when does it go
from being a constructive town meeting to becoming a bedlam of noise.
Putting each component on its own -dev list would be death - so we
obviously need a different solution there.

However, it'd be interesting to hear what people think about the
benefits of the -user list being shared. I see a few possibles:

* Easy for users. They're not having to hunt down which mailing list a
component is on - which will cause the kind of "sorry, please goto
list such and such" redirects we often have to do on general@jakarta.

* Not having a constant stream of mail list requests (and mail list
removal requests).

* Easier place to search (not that we make it that easy to search the lists).

I'm not sure I'm convinced by any of them :) I'm also interested in
whether a forum interface (working as a facade for the mailing list)
would help. How are people finding nabble and gmane?

Hopefully no one minds this navel-gazing; I'm always happy to reopen
old discussions to see if the consensus has changed.


On 2/7/06, Martin van den Bemt <> wrote:
> Can you (and preferrably others too) confirm that you actually read the (automated) welcome
mail ?
> I never read them and my impression is that a lot of people don't read it.
> Mvgr,
> Martin
> Hal Hildebrand wrote:
> > It'd probably help if this policy was clearly spelled out in a welcome message from
the list.
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Boris Unckel []
> >>
> >>Good Morning,
> >>
> >>Don Seiler <>
> >>
> >>>I was wondering earlier if it doesn't make sense to create individual
> >>>user lists for the components?  Speaking from personal experience, I'm
> >>>currently only interested in commons-net, and things like validator I
> >>>could do without.
> >>
> >>this is an old discussion (have a look at the archives). This was not my
> >>point. As long as there is _one_ list and majority votes to have one list
> >>people should respect that easy, understandable policy.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Boris
> >>
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