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From: Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:16:18 +0100
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Subject: Re: AW: [PROPOSAL][test] Apache Commons JUnit
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@Mark: this is already not the case and users are used to gather them
putside Junit. Also it is pby as true as saying it would be easier to push
commons in openjdk directly no?

I see a lot of values to have a uniform backbone - rule API - and making it
easy to reuse accross test stacks so commons testing really makes sense for
me on the long term even if v1 target junit 4 only.

Le 5 nov. 2017 21:21, "Mark Fortner" <phidias51@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit :

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be easier (and more intuitive) for users
of JUnit to find a collection of JUnit-related tools on the JUnit project
site?

Regards,

Mark

On 5 Nov 2017 11:51 a.m., "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rmannibucau@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is a bit different since my case was to get annoutput of where a tes=
t
> can lock and not a diff. But technically it is close.
>
> Le 5 nov. 2017 20:21, "Bernd Eckenfels" <ecki@zusammenkunft.net> a =C3=A9=
crit :
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > commons-vfs does this (at the Moment it only dumps the threads and does
> > not break the build)
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/commons-vfs/blob/trunk/
> > commons-vfs2/src/test/java/org/apache/commons/vfs2/test/
> > AbstractTestSuite.java#L213
> >
> >
> > Gruss
> > Bernd
> > --
> > http://bernd.eckenfels.net
> >
> > Von: Romain Manni-Bucau
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. November 2017 16:31
> > An: Commons Developers List
> > Betreff: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Commons JUnit
> >
> > This daemon thing is interesting, I something similar to dump each N
> > seconds threads to investigate some tests locking on a CI. Can goes
> > there as well probably.
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog | Github | LinkedIn
> >
> >
> > 2017-11-05 16:23 GMT+01:00 Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>:
> > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com=
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> So are you advocating for a multi-module project?
> > >>
> > >> - commons-testing
> > >> - commons-testing-junit4
> > >> - commons-testing-junit5
> > >>
> > >> ?
> > >>
> > >> Gary
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Bernd Eckenfels <
> > ecki@zusammenkunft.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I like the idea (and prefer Commons Testing), for example a method
to
> > >>> list all non-daemon threads after a test run (to see there is no
> > resource
> > >>> leak) can be used independent of the Unit Test Framework.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > Do you have such a gadget?
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> Gruss
> > >>> Bernd
> > >>> --
> > >>> http://bernd.eckenfels.net
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan@gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 5:42:39 PM
> > >>> To: Commons Developers List
> > >>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Commons JUnit
> > >>>
> > >>> How about "Apache Commons Testing"? -- H
> > >>>
> > >>> On 4 November 2017 at 09:10, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Pascal Schumacher <
> > >>> > pascalschumacher@gmx.net>
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > JUnit 5 is not backwards compatible (Package/Annotation-Names
> have
> > >>> > > changed, Rules were replaced by a new extension model), but it
> can
> > run
> > >>> > > JUnit 3 and JUnit 4 Tests if you add an additional dependency.
> See
> > >>> > > http://junit.org/junit5/docs/current/user-guide/#migrating-f
> > >>> rom-junit4
> > >>> > > for details.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > OK, so "Apache Commons Extras for Junit 4"
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Gary
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Am 04.11.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Gary Gregory:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >> I am assuming that JUnit 5 will be backward compatible with
> JUnit
> > 4,
> > >>> I
> > >>> > >> might be wrong. I'd like to focus on a single dependency for
now
> > >>> (JUnit)
> > >>> > >> and not do a multi-module project. If someone want to do the
> same
> > for
> > >>> > >> TestNG, then have at it. KISS and small for 1.0.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Gary
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Bruno P. Kinoshita <
> > >>> > >> brunodepaulak@yahoo.com.br.invalid> wrote:
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> +1 for the idea and for looking at JUnit 5.x and maybe AssertJ=
.
> > >>> > >>> CheersBruno
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>        From: Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
> > >>> > >>>   To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
> > >>> > >>>   Sent: Saturday, 4 November 2017 1:44 PM
> > >>> > >>>   Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Commons JUnit
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> I certainly like the idea, especially if the docs are good
> about
> > >>> > pulling
> > >>> > >>> in
> > >>> > >>> other related dependencies to complement the whole thing.
> General
> > >>> > >>> resource
> > >>> > >>> management rules would be great, though, like the ones we hav=
e
> in
> > >>> > Log4j.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> Also, I haven't looked closely at it yet, but supporting JUni=
t
> > 5.x
> > >>> as
> > >>> > >>> well
> > >>> > >>> would be nice.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> On 3 November 2017 at 18:11, Gary Gregory <
> > garydgregory@gmail.com>
> > >>> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> I'd propose we start a new component called "Apache Commons
> > JUnit".
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> The goal would be to gather useful and reusable code like
> JUnit
> > >>> rules.
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> This component would be focused on JUnit 4.x only.
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> For example: org.apache.commons.collections4.junit.
> > >>> > >>>> SetDefaultLocaleTestRule
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> I have other rules stashed here and there as well, for
> example a
> > >>> Set
> > >>> > >>>> Default Charset Rule.
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> Thoughts?
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>> Gary
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>> --
> > >>> > >>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
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