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From Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [JELLY] State of the project (Was: [VOTE][LAZY] Move Apache Commons Jelly to dormant)
Date Fri, 19 May 2017 20:44:14 GMT

> Am 19.05.2017 um 15:50 schrieb Oliver Heger <oliver.heger@oliver-heger.de>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> thank you for looking into this.
> 
> Am 18.05.2017 um 16:46 schrieb Benedikt Ritter:
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> Am 17.05.2017 um 19:38 schrieb Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>>:
>>> 
>>> I think that we could, as a community test of interest, say something like,
>>> if Oliver wants to push out what is in trunk in the next 30 days or so (or
>>> 60 or 90), we will help. I would help with odds and ends. Aside from that,
>>> if no one cares enough to "do", then let's hibernate it.
>> 
>> I’m currently having a look at the code base. There is a lot of work to do. I’m
currently trying to fix the build to republish the website. Here are the things I discovered:
>> 
>> - dependencies are out dated
>> - mixture of build files: build.xml, project.xml, maven.xml, pom.xml (can we drop
all but pom.xml?)
> Yes, IMHO keeping only pom.xml should be fine.
> 
>> - missing maven plugin „maven-jellydoc-plugin“. It seems to be part of the code
base, but the build is not configured to generate it
>> - strange structure of the project with several source folders (src and jelly-tags)
> Somehow the tag libs were treated as separate modules, but probably in a
> layout compliant to Maven 1.x.
> 
>> 
>> But these are all things that can be fixed, given people find the time to work on
this :-)
>> 
> We might also think about the minimum Java version we want to support.
> As the project has been unmaintained for such a long time, I assume we
> are pretty free to switch to a modern version as nobody expects an update.
> 
> It might even be beneficial to switch to Java 8. I can imagine that
> lambda syntax could be used in an elegant way to create simple tags.

I think Bruno needs Jelly for Jenkins. So we need to make sure it can be used within Jenkins.

Benedikt

> 
> Oliver
> 
>> Regards,
>> Benedikt
>> 
>>> 
>>> Gary
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Benedikt Ritter <britter@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> 
>>>> this is just the reaction I’m looking for. I think it is important to poke
>>>> in the hole every once in a while and see if anybody is still interested
in
>>>> a component. If you have intends to work on Jelly, there is no reason to
>>>> move it to dormant.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll wait for the 72 hours to pass anyway to see whether there are even
>>>> more people who still need jelly.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Benedikt
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.05.2017 um 15:46 schrieb Bruno P. Kinoshita <kinow@apache.org>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ditto for my -1. I've always wanted to move Jenkins fork patches back
to
>>>> Jelly, but last time I worked on it Mavenizing the project and its
>>>> components took too much time.
>>>>> Bruno
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:34, Oliver Heger<oliver.heger@oliver-heger.de>
>>>> wrote:   Hm,
>>>>> 
>>>>> being a user of Jelly, I have the long-term goal to contribute to the
>>>>> project because I have indeed some itch to scratch, but unfortunately
>>>>> never got to it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I am -1, but I cannot promise that I can work on Jelly in the near
>>>>> future.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oliver
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 17.05.2017 um 20:26 schrieb Benedikt Ritter:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think we should move Apache Commons Jelly to dormant for the
>>>> following reasons:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Jelly hasn’t seen any activity in a while. There haven’t been
any
>>>> relevant commits since 2010 (I didn’t search the history further than that…)
>>>>>> - The last release dates back to 2005.
>>>>>> - There is no activity in Jira or on our mailing lists.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For this reason I’m calling a vote by lazy consensus for moving
Apache
>>>> Commons Jelly to dormant. This vote will pass if nobody objects within the
>>>> next 72 hours, e.g. after 20-May 2017 14:30 EDT (UTC-4).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Benedikt
>>>>>> 
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