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From Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org>
Subject Re: Convert RNG help wanted into generic request
Date Thu, 20 Apr 2017 13:01:22 GMT
Hello.

On Tue, 18 Apr 2017 09:13:44 +0000 (UTC), Eyal Allweil wrote:
> Hi Gilles,
> As a Jira issue, RNG-37 is OK. But for something like Help Wanted, I
> would add a link to another implementation that can be used as a
> template

http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/commons-rng-sampling/xref/org/apache/commons/rng/sampling/distribution/MarsagliaNormalizedGaussianSampler.html

> and/or a page describing which interface to implement,

http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/commons-rng-sampling/apidocs/org/apache/commons/rng/sampling/distribution/package-summary.html

http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/commons-rng-sampling/apidocs/org/apache/commons/rng/sampling/distribution/MarsagliaNormalizedGaussianSampler.html

> what
> to test,

http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/commons-rng-sampling/xref-test/org/apache/commons/rng/sampling/distribution/ContinuousSamplersList.html

> that sort of thing. The idea is to make it easy for someone
> new to the project to feel like they can dive right into the work and
> meet the project expectations.

Sure.

> I'm totally unfamiliar with commons-rng
> myself - but that's what, if I were looking at the page, would 
> improve
> the chances that I would think it's worth trying.

Feel free to include the above links.

> I suspect the more
> expectations and hints are there, the less work afterwards is
> necessary in review and finishing.

It should also be stressed that the first thing would be to
subscribe to the ML, and post about what is proposed in order
to ensure that no problem would arise (e.g. license issues).


Thanks for your help on this,
Gilles

>
> Regards,Eyal
>
>
>     On Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:18 PM, Gilles
> <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Hello.
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:27:47 +0000 (UTC), Eyal Allweil wrote:
>> Hi Gilles,
>>
>> I looked at the issues in RNG, and I didn't find something that
>> seemed appropriate for a beginner. The closest, in my opinion,
>> are RNG-33 (adding convenience methods to UniformRandomProvider)
>
> That one should be resolved: the convenience methods probably
> do not warrant breaking compatibility (and there are other
> limitations, as discussed in the comments).
>
> However, it might be worth exploring utilities (such as
> "RngStreamFactory" mentioned in one comment) to be added
> in the "commons-rng-examples" module.
>
>> and RNG-37 (implementing Ziggurat). Maybe with some more 
>> explanations
>> or project expectations RNG-37 (or a similar, new issue) can work.
>
> What do see as missing from the description?
>
>>
>> Instead, I added a new item for Commons Text - I couldn't find a way
>> to get a link from Help Wanted, but it's TEXT-74. There were 
>> actually
>> a lot of issues in Commons Text that seemed good, but they all 
>> depend
>> on WordUtils being available in the main branch, which appears
>> pending. I guess we'll see if anyone picks it up.
>
> Thanks,
> Gilles
>
>>
>> Cheers,Eyal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:50 PM, Gilles
>> <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Hi Eyal.
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:36:34 +0000 (UTC), Eyal Allweil wrote:
>>> I opened two "help wanted" items for Apache DataFu a few months 
>>> ago.
>>> Both were linked to specific Jira issues - one a generic "wish", 
>>> and
>>> the other a very specific, entry-level task.
>>> Unsurprisingly, the generic one is still open, but the more 
>>> specific
>>> item was picked up and a new contributor wrote it. I recommend 
>>> doing
>>> something similar for Commons. I don't think there are enough
>>> "beginner" tasks there, and I think it's a good way to pick up
>>> contributors and get things done - not everyone knows how to search
>>> Jira for something doable.
>>
>> Good point.
>> However it is probably always the case that JIRA issues that stay
>> open
>> are not easy to fix...
>>
>>> If there are no objections, I can open a new issue for something in
>>> Commons as an example.
>>
>> Sure! If beginners are likely to be reading "helpwanted" rather than
>> the developers' web site, you are certainly welcome in evaluating 
>> all
>> the JIRA issues and copy the ones you think will fit in 
>> "helpwanted".
>>
>> Thanks a lot,
>> Gilles
>>
>>
>>> Regards,Eyal
>>>
>>>
>>>    On Friday, March 24, 2017 2:48 PM, Gilles
>>> <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Hi.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:24:10 +0000, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Can we replace this task. We get so many references to it, and
>>>> despite the fact we answered the offers for help there was never a
>>>> result out of it.
>>>
>>> I've pointed at that problem several months ago already.
>>>
>>>> I am unsure why that is, and maybe we could improve
>>>> our people skills, but it is rather obvious to me that this
>>>> particular
>>>> help request does not attract the right engagement
>>>
>>> I guess that the "helpwanted" page makes it too easy to send out
>>> an automatic mail to this list, even thought the OP is not
>>> subscribed;
>>> in at least one occurrence, the OP acted as if we were spamming 
>>> her!
>>>
>>> Is there another "helpwanted" request that redirects here?
>>> If not, no surprise that it happens only through the one I
>>> created...
>>>
>>>> (besides the
>>>> wording is outdated)
>>>
>>> Quite true but the problem existed before the wording got outdated.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We could replace it for a more generic Apache Commons Feedback
>>>> wanted
>>>> task: if you use a Apache Commons components share your 
>>>> experience,
>>>> problems and Feedback on the User List.  - or similar?
>>>
>>> Fine: Please change as you see fit. :-)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Gilles
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gruss
>>>> Bernd
>>>> --
>>>> http://bernd.eckenfels.net
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 2:13:40 AM
>>>> To: dev@commons.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Contributing to Apache Commons (Beginner task)
>>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:02:11 +0100, Vladimir Kaplarevic wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking to contribute to Apache Commons and start of with
>>>>> some
>>>>> basic
>>>>> beginner task. I came across this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://helpwanted.apache.org/task.html?532e1a732ca32a4e35fc7fc0e4c9373b6af1c17d
>>>>>
>>>>> If possible, I would like to help out but I am not sure about the
>>>>> steps
>>>>> that I need to take here - ask to get jira ticket assigned, I
>>>>> guess?
>>>>> Also,
>>>>> I am not sure that I can find the jira ticket in here
>>>>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RNG-6> .
>>>>>
>>>>> Any help is very much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your interest.
>>>> The wording in the " helpwanted" request is a bit out-of-date,
>>>> since the release happened last December.
>>>> However, it is still very useful to try out the code in real
>>>> applications and report of any problems.  You could also design
>>>> "toy" applications tailored to illustrate features of the library
>>>> (see the "commons-rng-examples" module in the source repository).
>>>>
>>>> You could also have a look at the open issues (although those
>>>> might not be beginner tasks).
>>>>
>>>> Don't hesitate to ask more questions, so we can focus more
>>>> precisely on what you want to do.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Gilles
>>>>
>
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