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From Jörg Schaible <joerg.schai...@gmx.de>
Subject Re: [ALL] Volunteers for a Math IPMC?
Date Sat, 18 Jun 2016 23:55:12 GMT
Hi Gilles,


Gilles wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:00:34 -0700, Ted Dunning wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Gilles

[snip]

>> You can never go home. No project stays the same.
> 
> Well, some people in CM for years did their best to avoid change.
> I didn't like that view and argue with them because they were
> important contributors to CM.
> 
> I still have to argue, but now with non-contributors.
> *This* makes no sense.

[snip]

>> This was your assertion in the long email thread. It seemed that
>> there was
>> significant counter-positions.
> 
> By non-contributors, using arguments that do not fit the CM history.


Since this is now the second time in two weeks that you indirectly state 
that I should keep my mouth, I simply refer here a mail of Phil in January 
2015 on the PMC list about the "PMC member responsibilities".

As such a Commons PMC member you are responsible for *all* of the 
components, all its users and the health of the ecosystem these components 
live.

You seem to care currently for 20% of the code of one component only 
ignoring any impact on the ecosystem your action with the other 80% may 
have.


>>> I'm OK to go through the incubator to do that; but I don't see that
>>> it
>>> is an easier path.  Surely it looks longer.  And it seems that even
>>> the
>>> incubator people doubt that it will lead anywhere.
>>>
>>
>> The incubator is for building community and adapting to Apache. If
>> you
>> don't have a seed community, then incubator is the wrong place. You
>> need to
>> have more than just you.
> 
> That's fair, but there are a few others; that was mentioned.


Right. And therefore incubation is a good way to build an own community for 
this one component only (although it is big).


>>> Given the uncertain outcome, going through the incubator would be an
>>> attempt at rethinking the development of the currently unsupported
>>> code.  See e.g.
>>>   https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-172
>>> [Or is that out of scope for an incubation proposal?]
>>
>>
>> Incubator is not a place to rethink code. It is primarily for
>> building
>> community.
> 
> I thought so.
> So, that leaves us with TLP.  Back to square one.


Just because the way *you* like to act with CM is no option for a Commons 
component.

- Jörg


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