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From Gilles <>
Subject Re: [Math] Commons Math (r)evolution
Date Fri, 10 Jun 2016 23:37:48 GMT
Hi James.

On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:26:07 +0000, James Carman wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:29 PM Ralph Goers 
> <>
> wrote:
>> Not only is the original chair not available, neither is a quorum of 
>> the
>> proposed PMC.  Why are you pushing this?  I, for one, am perfectly 
>> content
>> to keep Math here and see if those who have expressed interest in 
>> helping
>> out actually do and if others are attracted to fill in the gaps.
> I am pushing for it because I think it's the right thing to do for 
> Math
> going forward.  Just like I pushed for it for years until we finally 
> had an
> affirmative vote.  The fact that the others have left doesn't change 
> my
> mind.  It only makes it more important, IMHO.  We need a more diverse
> community for Math.  It also needs to self-govern, however it sees 
> fit.
> Being its own TLP will help attract more attention (especially with a 
> trip
> through the incubator).  I would love to get involved with Math if 
> they'd
> have me.  I was a math major in college, but I'm nowhere near the 
> expert
> that these guys are I'm sure.  I could provide value as a general 
> Java
> language and API resource, though.  If you're interested in Math, 
> Ralph,
> why not come join us?

Things moved a few steps further while I was thinking about my two
last posts...

Of course, if the majority considers that TLP is more promising
than new components here, I'm fine, since anything is better than
the status quo.

If it goes that way, I suggest that you become the chairperson,
  1. it wouldn't have happened without your intervention, and
  2. from a practical POV, better have someone who knows his way
     around Apache...

About the project's contents, I'm still not optimistic that a TLP
does change the underlying reality of the situation which I tried
to describe.
For the sake of the argument, let's assume that Jörg and Ralph
would join us in a TLP that will decide what to do with the
Commons Math codebase, will they now change their mind (in that
parts of it can be released and others not)?

Thanks for succeeding in advancing a discussion that seemed
stuck (perhaps because of my perpetual misunderstanding of
the "Commons" project).


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