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From Gilles <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] New component: Rational numbers
Date Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:23:12 GMT
On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:04:48 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> From the Peanut Gallery,
> All of this discussion on (too many at once) [VOTE] threads suggest
> to me that the [VOTE]s are premature.
> I don't understand the inclination to conduct [VOTE]s here that are
> at best straw votes and generally serve to establish that there is no
> consensus because of all the qualifications that are placed on the 
> few
> [VOTE]s that are apparently cast in the blur of discussions.
> I think the key matter is that there is not enough discussion to
> tease out consensus and even find opportunities for lazy consensus.
> Then a [VOTE] becomes a formal ratification in those rare cases where
> such a thing is required (e.g., to back up a personnel action or take
> a resolution to the Board).
> I think these discussions about clustering/splitting the Commons Math
> components are very useful and interesting to observe.  The use of
> [VOTE] is worrisome and apparently useless other than for the
> attention it evokes.

There was a vote because Jörg saw it as useful in order to decide
about the next step:

How much longer should we rehash the same arguments from all sides?

The bottom-line of all this is that there are people (new and old
contributors to CM) who wish to do things, and everything that they
say _they_ will do is blocked by people who never contributed to CM
and do not intend to.


>  - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Gregory []
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 08:30
>> To: Commons Developers List <>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] New component: Rational numbers
> [ ... ]
>> This (and new components VOTE thread) paints a more confusing 
>> picture
>> than
>> before to me.
>> You are proposing to organize code into Commons Component/possible
>> TLP/Attic/Something based on the current knowledge of some 
>> participants,
>> including yourself, and I am grateful that you've been doing all 
>> this
>> work.
>> Part of me wants to stay out of the way and let the do-o-cracy play 
>> out
>> but
>> another part really feels this will be counter productive in the end
>> (not
>> to mention a lot of busy work.)
>> As was mentioned by someone else before, people come and go, with
>> different
>> levels of expertise.
>> For me, the keep-it-simple principle, not to mention least surprise 
>> says
>> to
>> keep whole the pile in one place, in Commons or as a TLP, either 
>> way.
>> Whether we use more than one Maven module here or as a TLP is a
>> different
>> matter and not relevant to the residence of the code base. We have 
>> other
>> Commons component that have multiple modules, no big deal.
>> Gary
> [ ... ]

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