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From Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
Date Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:30:20 GMT
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:33:58 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> -1 (non-binding)
>>
>> Reason for objection:
>>
>>  I think the framing of this vote is confusing.
>>
>>  1. There appears to be less ability to go to TLP than there was at
>> the time the previous motion passed.
>>
>>  2. The discussion (but not the [VOTE]) speaks of going to TLP via
>> the incubator.  It has to be one or the other.  Propose a podling to
>> Incubator or propose a TLP to the Board.  There is no assurance that a
>> podling will graduate and it doesn't fit to make that a condition.
>> One could raise the special circumstances at general-incubator, but I
>> think that works best with something specific (but malleable) in hand.
>>
>>  3. The Incubator is reluctant to start podlings from scratch, as
>> Niall observes.
>>
>
> Could you please expand on how 3 Commons PMC members and 3 would-be
> contributors are assimilated to "scratch"?
>

It would be good if all those wanting to be part of a Math TLP could
indicate that here and cast a vote for a Math TLP. Including yourself
Gilles, since so far I don't remember seeing whether you that you were in
favour of this.

Niall



>
> Thanks,
> Gilles
>
>
>  4. It seems to me that the best first-step on whether incubation is
>> feasible is to do the work to create an incubation proposal.  This
>> will require certain key factors to be addressed.  Not the least is
>> how the code base will be imported and, because it is from an Apache
>> Project, how it will be left behind too.  That definition can start
>> here and then be refined on the general-incubator list where one will
>> need to find a champion (perhaps), mentors, and a sufficient body of
>> initial committers.  It is important for those who would form the
>> initial core for a podling to learn enough about how incubation works.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> Disclosure:
>>
>>  I have no idea how this might go.  I am not a Commons Math
>> subject-matter expert, even though computational mathematics has some
>> appeal for me.  I still have my bound "Collect Algorithms from ACM,
>> Volume 1: Algorithms 1-220."  I did not hold onto the microfiche of
>> later algorithms that were published in conjunction with the ACM
>> Transactions on Mathematical Software (TOMS). The latest (Algorithm
>> 959) is interesting although I have no idea where to find the code and
>> am dismayed that it is a library under the GPL.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pemberton@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:56
>>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:39 AM, James Carman
>>> <james@carmanconsulting.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > We would take math through the incubator in order to build community
>>> around
>>> > it first. If we fail to do so, then we can decide its fate at that
>>> time. We
>>> > haven't done a good job attracting new people to math here at all. It
>>> has
>>> > always been maintained primarily by a select few.
>>> >
>>>
>>> It made sense to me when there were 6 committers working on Math, but I
>>> think given the exodus of most of those people to hipparchus then it
>>> would
>>> be better to wait a while for the dust to settle to see what happens
>>> with
>>> Math.
>>>
>>> I also don't think the incubator is a good place for starting a
>>> community
>>> from scratch (i.e. one or two man projects) - if you have a nucleus of
>>> at
>>> least a few people, then it has much better chance of success.
>>>
>>> So for me, I'm -1 unless there are enough Mathematicians who want to
>>> work
>>> on the code to give it a chance as an incubator project.
>>>
>>> Niall
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:36 AM Ralph Goers
>>> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > -1 (binding)
>>> > >
>>> > > At least until there are enough people to have a viable PMC.
>>> > >
>>> > > Ralph
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:47 PM, James Carman
>>> <james@carmanconsulting.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Since it has been suggested that the previously passing vote
>>> should be
>>> > > > voided, I propose we vote again to move Commons Math to a TLP:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > +1 - Yes, move Commons Math to a TLP
>>> > > > -1 - No, do not move Commons Math to a TLP
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The vote will remain open for 72 hours.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thank you,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > James Carman
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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