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From Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
Date Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:08:00 GMT
On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:33:58 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> -1 (non-binding)
>
> Reason for objection:
>
>  I think the framing of this vote is confusing.
>
>  1. There appears to be less ability to go to TLP than there was at
> the time the previous motion passed.
>
>  2. The discussion (but not the [VOTE]) speaks of going to TLP via
> the incubator.  It has to be one or the other.  Propose a podling to
> Incubator or propose a TLP to the Board.  There is no assurance that 
> a
> podling will graduate and it doesn't fit to make that a condition.
> One could raise the special circumstances at general-incubator, but I
> think that works best with something specific (but malleable) in 
> hand.
>
>  3. The Incubator is reluctant to start podlings from scratch, as
> Niall observes.

Could you please expand on how 3 Commons PMC members and 3 would-be
contributors are assimilated to "scratch"?

Thanks,
Gilles

>  4. It seems to me that the best first-step on whether incubation is
> feasible is to do the work to create an incubation proposal.  This
> will require certain key factors to be addressed.  Not the least is
> how the code base will be imported and, because it is from an Apache
> Project, how it will be left behind too.  That definition can start
> here and then be refined on the general-incubator list where one will
> need to find a champion (perhaps), mentors, and a sufficient body of
> initial committers.  It is important for those who would form the
> initial core for a podling to learn enough about how incubation 
> works.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> Disclosure:
>
>  I have no idea how this might go.  I am not a Commons Math
> subject-matter expert, even though computational mathematics has some
> appeal for me.  I still have my bound "Collect Algorithms from ACM,
> Volume 1: Algorithms 1-220."  I did not hold onto the microfiche of
> later algorithms that were published in conjunction with the ACM
> Transactions on Mathematical Software (TOMS). The latest (Algorithm
> 959) is interesting although I have no idea where to find the code 
> and
> am dismayed that it is a library under the GPL.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pemberton@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:56
>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:39 AM, James Carman
>> <james@carmanconsulting.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > We would take math through the incubator in order to build 
>> community
>> around
>> > it first. If we fail to do so, then we can decide its fate at that
>> time. We
>> > haven't done a good job attracting new people to math here at all. 
>> It
>> has
>> > always been maintained primarily by a select few.
>> >
>>
>> It made sense to me when there were 6 committers working on Math, 
>> but I
>> think given the exodus of most of those people to hipparchus then it
>> would
>> be better to wait a while for the dust to settle to see what happens
>> with
>> Math.
>>
>> I also don't think the incubator is a good place for starting a
>> community
>> from scratch (i.e. one or two man projects) - if you have a nucleus 
>> of
>> at
>> least a few people, then it has much better chance of success.
>>
>> So for me, I'm -1 unless there are enough Mathematicians who want to
>> work
>> on the code to give it a chance as an incubator project.
>>
>> Niall
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:36 AM Ralph Goers
>> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > -1 (binding)
>> > >
>> > > At least until there are enough people to have a viable PMC.
>> > >
>> > > Ralph
>> > >
>> > > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:47 PM, James Carman
>> <james@carmanconsulting.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Since it has been suggested that the previously passing vote
>> should be
>> > > > voided, I propose we vote again to move Commons Math to a TLP:
>> > > >
>> > > > +1 - Yes, move Commons Math to a TLP
>> > > > -1 - No, do not move Commons Math to a TLP
>> > > >
>> > > > The vote will remain open for 72 hours.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thank you,
>> > > >
>> > > > James Carman
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 
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