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From Mark Thomas <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][VOTE] New component: Rational numbers
Date Wed, 22 Jun 2016 18:13:10 GMT
On 22/06/2016 19:04, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> From the Peanut Gallery,
> All of this discussion on (too many at once) [VOTE] threads suggest to me that the [VOTE]s
are premature.  
> I don't understand the inclination to conduct [VOTE]s here that are at best straw votes
and generally serve to establish that there is no consensus because of all the qualifications
that are placed on the few [VOTE]s that are apparently cast in the blur of discussions.
> I think the key matter is that there is not enough discussion to tease out consensus
and even find opportunities for lazy consensus.  Then a [VOTE] becomes a formal ratification
in those rare cases where such a thing is required (e.g., to back up a personnel action or
take a resolution to the Board).
> I think these discussions about clustering/splitting the Commons Math components are
very useful and interesting to observe.  The use of [VOTE] is worrisome and apparently useless
other than for the attention it evokes.


I have a very similar impression.


>  - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Gregory []
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 08:30
>> To: Commons Developers List <>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] New component: Rational numbers
> [ ... ]
>> This (and new components VOTE thread) paints a more confusing picture
>> than
>> before to me.
>> You are proposing to organize code into Commons Component/possible
>> TLP/Attic/Something based on the current knowledge of some participants,
>> including yourself, and I am grateful that you've been doing all this
>> work.
>> Part of me wants to stay out of the way and let the do-o-cracy play out
>> but
>> another part really feels this will be counter productive in the end
>> (not
>> to mention a lot of busy work.)
>> As was mentioned by someone else before, people come and go, with
>> different
>> levels of expertise.
>> For me, the keep-it-simple principle, not to mention least surprise says
>> to
>> keep whole the pile in one place, in Commons or as a TLP, either way.
>> Whether we use more than one Maven module here or as a TLP is a
>> different
>> matter and not relevant to the residence of the code base. We have other
>> Commons component that have multiple modules, no big deal.
>> Gary
> [ ... ]
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