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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
Date Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:01:57 GMT
Brief side-comments from a lurker.

It appears that any kind of [VOTE] is premature.  There needs to be a better way to find consensus,
including more preparatory discussion and determination of an actionable direction.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Gregory []
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:40
> To: Commons Developers List <>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)...
> Do we need some kind of ranked vote with choices like:
> Where should Commons Math go (in alpha order)?
> - Commons Attic
> - Incubator then TLP
> - Incubator then Commons Math

"Incubator then ... " is not in the Power of Apache Commons to determine.  How something enters
and then leaves incubation is entirely for Apache Incubator to work through based on how the
podling moves toward graduation.  I'd be surprised if a podling proposal would be accepted
with strings attached.

I suggest that the way the Incubator option goes forward at all is by starting, here at Commons,
a draft Incubator proposal with the important-to-Commons aspect being identification of the
code base and related artifacts that will be transposed into the podling on acceptance of
the proposal.  

It is somewhat orthogonal to that for Commons to determine what is done with the current Commons
Math code base and related artifacts if the incubation proposal is approved by Incubator.
 I suspect that there needs to be some consensus around that before Commons would express
any sort of advisory/consensus agreement from Commons unless the incubation is simply done
as a fork to which Commons has no objection.  

It seems to me that the best way to achieve clarity is by starting down this road, first at
Commons.  It is a reversible journey up to the point that an Incubator vote on acceptance
of the podling passes.

> - Stay put
> - TLP

The TLP case raises all of the same questions with regard to transposition of code and other
artifacts (e.g., JIRA, web pages, dedicated lists, ....), suggesting that the incubation proposal
exercise would be equally valuable for clarity before taking a TLP resolution to the Board.

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