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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [math] Name of the new TLP
Date Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:40:48 GMT
On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc <luc@spaceroots.org> wrote:
> Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician.

In which case it has to be

Euclid or Pythagoras (early)
or
Paul Erdős - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number

and everyone has heard of
John Nash (Beautiful Mind)

etc.
In the spirit of recent discussions, how about a RNG to pick the
mathematician's name for each next incarnation?

;-)

>> If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons HttpClient
>> went
>> to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache Math Components as TLP name?

I quite like Apache Epsilon as a non-descriptive but related name.

[ducks behind bikshed]

>>
>> Benedikt
>>
>> 2016-01-25 8:40 GMT+01:00 Ole Ersoy <ole.ersoy@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Umbrella-ish is good.  Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural
>>> networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an umbrella.
>>> Some
>>> of the other Apache projects that do math may be interested in moving
>>> that
>>> piece under the Apache Math umbrella.
>>>
>>> Personally I like to see each in a separate repository dedicated to the
>>> subject, along with the corresponding documentation, etc  So:
>>> apache-math (Central repository describing the project as a whole with
>>> the
>>> documentation that cuts across modules)
>>> apache-math-linear-real
>>> apache-math-linear-field
>>> apache-math-optimization-genetic
>>> apache-math-optimization-simplex
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> And hopefully:
>>> apache-math-optimization-integer
>>> apache-math-optimization-mixed
>>> And more..
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ole
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/24/2016 04:41 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe?
>>>>> Or is it taken already?
>>>>>
>>>> It's not taken; but I thought it was too broad-sounding and in fact
>>>> umbrella-ish.  There are other ASF projects that do math-relates things.
>>>> I
>>>> think adding "components" makes it look more like a library of base
>>>> components that other math-related projects can use.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>> Gilles
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:46:17 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is going
to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the opportunity in
>>>>>> forming the new TLP to revisit the initial goals of [math]; but I
>>>>>> suspect that initially at least we will mostly continue to be a
>>>>>> general-purpose Java math library, trying to provide IP-clean,
>>>>>> easily integrated, standard algorithm-based solutions to common math
>>>>>> programming problems.  We have grown to the point where we will
>>>>>> almost certainly break the distribution up into separate
>>>>>> "components."  No umbrella, but likely multiple release artifacts.
>>>>>> Similar in some ways to what happened with [http], which is why I
>>>>>> suggested the same approach to naming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding picking a mathematician for the name, I don't much like
>>>>>> that idea as whoever you choose, you end up loading some math area
>>>>>> and / or cultural bias into the name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Umbrella projects aren't that popular these days, from what I
>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>> Maybe an homage to a famous mathematician? Apache Newton? Apache
>>>>>>> Euler?
>>>>>>> Apache Euclid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to agree on a name.  My own preference is for a boring,
>>>>>>>> descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing guy,
so won't
>>>>>>>> be offended if others want to be more creative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My suggestion is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MathComponents
>
>
> I would be happy with either Math Components or Math.
> Also I do favor fancy acronyms that read exactly as well known
> names (23 years ago, the name of my first mathematics library was
> an acronym that read "Cantor"), it is probably not a good idea for
> this new TLP.
>
> In any case, the project will most probably be de facto an umbrella
> project as modularizing it seems in the current mood.
>
> best regards,
> Luc
>
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hearkens back to HttpComponents, which has worked pretty
well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>
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