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From James Carman <>
Subject Re: [math] TLP
Date Thu, 14 Jan 2016 01:01:37 GMT
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:50 PM Phil Steitz <> wrote:

> I would like to propose that we split [math] out into a top level
> project at the ASF.  This has been proposed before, and I have
> always come down on the side of staying in Commons, but I am now
> convinced that it is a good step for us to take for the following
> reasons:
> 0) We have several committers who are really only interested in
> [math], so being on the Commons PMC does not really make sense for them
> 1) The code base has swollen in size to well beyond the "small sharp
> tools" that make up the bulk of Commons
> 2) We are probably at the point where we should consider splitting
> [math] itself into separately released subcomponents (could be done
> in Commons, but starts smelling a little Jakarta-ish when Commons
> has components with subcomponents).
> The downsides are
> a) [newPMC] loses Commons eyeballs / contributors who would not find
> us otherwise
> b) Migration / repackaging pain
> c) Overhead of starting and managing a PMC
> d) Other Commons components lose some eyeballs
> Personally, I think the benefits outweigh the downsides at this
> point.  New better tools and ASF processes have made b) and c) a
> little less onerous.  I don't think d) is really a big problem for
> Commons, as those of us who work on other stuff here could continue
> to do so.  It is possible that a) actually works in the reverse
> direction - i.e., we are easier to find as a TLP.
> What do others think about this?
> Phil
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