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From Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [math] Name of the new TLP
Date Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:17:43 GMT
Note that we can change the name Apache Commons Math to Apache Commons
Cutesy name as well as turn it into a multi-module project. You do not need
a TLP to do that.

I see lots of email about name change but not many about why this component
would better serve its community under a TLP and/or different PMC and/or
policies.

Where's the beef?! ;-)

Gary
On Jan 25, 2016 9:00 AM, "Ole Ersoy" <ole.ersoy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like any name that is simple (It's also good if it has a nice ring to
> it).  If we are hoping to incorporate more modules from other projects then
> perhaps 'apache-davinci'?  I like 'apache-epsilon' as well.
>
> On 01/25/2016 05:40 AM, sebb wrote:
>
>> On 25 January 2016 at 09:28, luc <luc@spaceroots.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2016-01-25 08:52, Benedikt Ritter a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I very much like the idea of taking the name of a famous mathematician.
>>>>
>>> In which case it has to be
>>
>> Euclid or Pythagoras (early)
>> or
>> Paul Erdős - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erd%C5%91s_number
>>
>> and everyone has heard of
>> John Nash (Beautiful Mind)
>>
>> etc.
>> In the spirit of recent discussions, how about a RNG to pick the
>> mathematician's name for each next incarnation?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> If it has to be some thing more descriptive: Apache Commons HttpClient
>>>> went
>>>> to Apache HttpComponents. How about Apache Math Components as TLP name?
>>>>
>>> I quite like Apache Epsilon as a non-descriptive but related name.
>>
>> [ducks behind bikshed]
>>
>> Benedikt
>>>>
>>>> 2016-01-25 8:40 GMT+01:00 Ole Ersoy <ole.ersoy@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Umbrella-ish is good.  Linear algebra, genetic algorithms, neural
>>>>> networks, clustering, monte carlo, simplex...These need an umbrella.
>>>>> Some
>>>>> of the other Apache projects that do math may be interested in moving
>>>>> that
>>>>> piece under the Apache Math umbrella.
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally I like to see each in a separate repository dedicated to the
>>>>> subject, along with the corresponding documentation, etc  So:
>>>>> apache-math (Central repository describing the project as a whole with
>>>>> the
>>>>> documentation that cuts across modules)
>>>>> apache-math-linear-real
>>>>> apache-math-linear-field
>>>>> apache-math-optimization-genetic
>>>>> apache-math-optimization-simplex
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> And hopefully:
>>>>> apache-math-optimization-integer
>>>>> apache-math-optimization-mixed
>>>>> And more..
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/24/2016 04:41 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just plain and simple "Apache Math" maybe?
>>>>>>> Or is it taken already?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not taken; but I thought it was too broad-sounding and in
fact
>>>>>> umbrella-ish.  There are other ASF projects that do math-relates
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think adding "components" makes it look more like a library of base
>>>>>> components that other math-related projects can use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gilles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:46:17 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/24/16 2:16 PM, James Carman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on the scope of what the new TLP is
going to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is slightly jumping the gun, as we do have the opportunity
in
>>>>>>>> forming the new TLP to revisit the initial goals of [math];
but I
>>>>>>>> suspect that initially at least we will mostly continue to
be a
>>>>>>>> general-purpose Java math library, trying to provide IP-clean,
>>>>>>>> easily integrated, standard algorithm-based solutions to
common math
>>>>>>>> programming problems.  We have grown to the point where we
will
>>>>>>>> almost certainly break the distribution up into separate
>>>>>>>> "components."  No umbrella, but likely multiple release artifacts.
>>>>>>>> Similar in some ways to what happened with [http], which
is why I
>>>>>>>> suggested the same approach to naming.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding picking a mathematician for the name, I don't much
like
>>>>>>>> that idea as whoever you choose, you end up loading some
math area
>>>>>>>> and / or cultural bias into the name.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Umbrella projects aren't that popular these days, from what
I
>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>> Maybe an homage to a famous mathematician? Apache Newton?
Apache
>>>>>>>>> Euler?
>>>>>>>>> Apache Euclid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 4:08 PM Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We need to agree on a name.  My own preference is
for a boring,
>>>>>>>>>> descriptive name, but I am manifestly not a marketing
guy, so
>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>> be offended if others want to be more creative.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MathComponents
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> I would be happy with either Math Components or Math.
>>> Also I do favor fancy acronyms that read exactly as well known
>>> names (23 years ago, the name of my first mathematics library was
>>> an acronym that read "Cantor"), it is probably not a good idea for
>>> this new TLP.
>>>
>>> In any case, the project will most probably be de facto an umbrella
>>> project as modularizing it seems in the current mood.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>> Luc
>>>
>>>
>>> Hearkens back to HttpComponents, which has worked pretty well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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