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From Dave Brosius <dbros...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Proposed Contribution to Apache Commons,
Date Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:56:55 GMT
git clone git@github.com:NormanShapiro/Naomi.git
git checkout gh-pages


if you like, I already have a fork on github of it, I can merge gh-pages 
into master, and delete the gh-pages branch, and then the repo will be 
obviously just a one branch project.





On 10/28/2015 08:19 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
> I am not seeing any -1s on this, so I would like to proceed with a
> VOTE to accept the code and start the IP clearance process.  For
> that I need a definitive snapshot of somewhere that I can point to
> for the VOTE and clearance docs.  My git-foo is pretty limited.  Can
> someone suggest a stable URL that we can use to identify the code
> that we will be accepting, should the VOTE pass?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Phil
>
> On 10/25/15 12:25 PM, dbrosIus wrote:
>> +1 and git please
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com>
>> Date: 10/25/2015  3:15 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: Proposed Contribution to Apache Commons,
>>
>> On 10/2/15 12:08 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>> Well, a champion can volunteer to shepherd this through our incubator I
>>> suppose,
>> OK, I will volunteer to do this.  I propose that we start this as a
>> Commons Sandbox project.  To do that, we need a VOTE to accept the
>> code, a software grant and the IP clearance form [1] submitted to
>> the Incubator PMC.  We can use either git or svn for the new sandbox
>> repo.
>>
>> Any objections?  Any preference for git or svn?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ip-clearance-template.html
>>
>>
>>>    like CommonsRDF, which seems pretty inactive ATM. There is also
>>> the issue of "donate and forget" vs. staying plugged in the community.
>>>
>>> I just do not have the extra FOSS cycles to dig into the code ATM to see
>>> what's under the hood.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/2/15 11:46 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>> I do not have time to dig into this one ATM but I'd like to give my 2c.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this project introduce a new RE-like language or is it an API
>>>> wrapper
>>>>> for REs? It sounds like it is both.
>>>> It looks to me like what it says it is, which is an alternative to
>>>> REs, which IMO is a nice idea.  Less "pattern matching language" and
>>>> more objects expressing matching intent.  End result is less
>>>> developer thought required to accomplish a common task.  Seems to
>>>> fit nicely in Commons to me.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>> A project like this I could see in Commons if the project was split into
>>>> an
>>>>> API module and modules for different pattern matching languages, where
>>>> the
>>>>> standard Java RE would be the reference example. Naomi (I love the name
>>>>> BTW, someones wife or daughter?) would be another implementation module.
>>>>> With both under its belt, the project would be on fairly solid footing
>>>>> (granted I do not know Naomi). You could even imaging implementations
>>>> that
>>>>> would accept a JXPath or a SQL WHERE clause.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the project is only meant to introduce a new RE-like language, then
a
>>>>> TLP would be probably more appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2c,
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/29/15 3:55 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello and welcome to Apache Commons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not clear to me why Naomi is better than regular expressions.
>>>>>>> Pointing
>>>>>>>> to Javadocs is not the best way to get traction.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your project would be better served by having some documentation
on
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> front page with an example driven tutorial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is Naomi faster than REs?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What can I do in Naomi that REs can't do? And vice-versa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Examples of this on your front page would help you at least
get folks
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> consider learning a brand new way of doing things...
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>> The code in SimpleExamples starts to get to this.  Looks interesting
>>>>>>> and powerful.  Either here or on the github readme you should
take a
>>>>>>> stab at explaining a little more how hard problems using regex
get
>>>>>>> easier with naomi, illustrated with some simple examples.  Then
>>>>>>> maybe with help from community members here, you can develop
some
>>>>>>> overview / getting started docs that help people get into the
code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading SimpleExamples, my summary would be a boilerplate description
of
>>>>>> "It replaces the arcane regular expression language with an API".
It
>>>>>> reminds me of command line argument parsers. Perl had/has a great
>>>> regular
>>>>>> expression like command line argument parser, but it was cryptic
and you
>>>>>> either loved it or hated it. Then along came Commons CLI, args4j
and all
>>>>>> the others, providing a more OO/procedural API instead of its own
mini
>>>>>> language. Not as 'powerful' (in that you had to type more), but simpler
>>>> (in
>>>>>> that you didn't have to learn a new lingo and didn't have to juggle
>>>>>> multiple languages inside one context (a source file)).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I definitely need that user manual. It's hard, with a brain trained
on
>>>>>> regular expressions, to read 'Pattern greek3=new
>>>> CharSequencePattern("?")'
>>>>>> and realize (I think) that it means a literal ? character. It's also
the
>>>>>> primary way it'll be successful. You need that educational path that
>>>>>> explains what a ExplicitCharClass is for, rather than randomly clicking
>>>> on
>>>>>> javadoc :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There'll also be much debate to be had I suspect. Is "a-e" too complex,
>>>>>> compared to "abcde" or "a","e". Which parts of regex are worth
>>>> supporting,
>>>>>> vs not. Can I mix bits of regexp with bits of Naomi?   new
>>>>>> ExplicitCharClass("a-eg-p").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Random.... I'd like the idea of varargs for automatic and'ing. ie:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> new ExplicitCharClass("a-p", "!f")   [and is a not char class too
>>>>>> complex?].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Continuing on my summary, as I peruse the code a little more, I'd
go
>>>> with:
>>>>>> "Build a regular expression via an API, not an arcane language of
its
>>>> own".
>>>>>> I'd love to see that grow to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Express regular expressions as objects, or mix and match objects
with
>>>> that
>>>>>> arcane mini language we all love or loathe".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hen
>>>>>>
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