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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:36:18 -0500
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Subject: Re: [ALL] Too much traffic on the "dev" ML
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Or, they could move to TLP.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> I'm not sure what infra will say about managing multiple dev lists for on=
e
> project, but we can ask.
>
> I would suggest that if a project wants its own dev list, a VOTE be calle=
d.
> Commons is still _one_ project, so all Commons PMC committers votes shoul=
d
> count, not just folks involved in that single project.
>
> Gary
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:58:12 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/16/15 5:05 AM, J=C3=B6rg Schaible wrote:
>>>
>>>> Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  If the volume of messages discourages new contributors from joining t=
he
>>>>> project that's indeed an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> Two or three people said so.
>>
>>  We had an average of 400 messages per
>>>>> month in 2014,
>>>>>
>>>>
>> Between 2014-10-21 and now, the count of messages addressed to one of th=
e
>> "commons" lists is 4387, that is an average of about 50 per day (1500 pe=
r
>> month).
>>
>>  that's on par with maven-dev, half of tomcat-dev and 1/7
>>>>> of lucene-dev.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> The problem is not primarily "dev", it is that some people simply cannot
>> spend even more time to cater for all the Commons projects; yet we recei=
ve
>> all the notifications.
>> It's basic care for others' comfort to fix this at the source.
>> Is it so difficult to understand that I don't want to be flooded with
>> notifications of commits to a codebase which I don't contribute to?
>>
>>  It's also significantly below where Commons used to be when we had a
>>> *lot* more active committers and contributors.
>>>
>>
>> So it can be worse. That's very comforting indeed.
>>
>>
>> Gilles
>>
>>
>>>>> I don't think splitting the list by component is a good idea though,
>>>>> this will kill the community (the 'all' list is unlikely to be popula=
r).
>>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1 and lets maybe cut the threads like this (self-referential) one ;)
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - J=C3=B6rg
>>>>
>>>
>>
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