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From Phil Steitz <>
Subject Re: Commons RDF
Date Sat, 20 Dec 2014 22:37:19 GMT
On 12/20/14 11:35 AM, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> Phil Steitz wrote:
>>  The question we always ask
>> about new component ideas is can we grow and sustain a community
>> around them.
> Couldn't agree more.  As you may have noticed, there is a
> community and it's been arguing for years!
> >> >We came here originally.  We found that there is a Commons way of
>>> >doing things.  Collaborating with those external people was not
>>> >going to work within the confines of Apache Commons - nothing
>>> >wrong with that, Commons isn't aiming to be a sole place of
>>> >collaboration anywhere.
>> How exactly did you come to that conclusion?  The only things I see
>> in the archives are*ASF*  "ways of doing things" - using ASF SCM
>> repos - now Git is available, discussion on mailing lists, etc.
> There was a stated use of this list [1].
> Our goal/hope/aspiration is collaboration inside and outside Apache.
> Asking people from other places to come over to this list is a
> significant barrier.

Really?  That sounds kind of silly to me, frankly.  I guess if what
you are saying is that having a project mailing list and having
discussion there is a show-stopper, then, yes, you are right the ASF
is not the right place to do it.  
> I'm glad to see git is now available.
>> Great, but irrelevant to the question of whether there is community
>> interest in a Commons RDF component (I mean an Apache Commons
>> component named commons-rdf.  In retrospect, we should have
>> anticipated the name disambiguation problem.  At this point, users
>> may end up confused if we move forward in Commons and the community
>> does not end up combining.)
> How does Commons normally handle potential name clash matters? or
> maybe it has not occurred before?

It has not happened before.  At the ASF level, projects sometimes
end up choosing cutesy names to work around trademark issues. 
Unfortunately, we like to avoid the cutesy names in Commons,
preferring simple names that describe the components.  The package
names are different, so this may not be that bad.


>     Andy
> [1]
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