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From Bernd Eckenfels <>
Subject Re: [All] Release Plugin
Date Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:46:29 GMT
Hello Luc,

Am Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:57:47 +0100
schrieb Luc Maisonobe <>:
> Le 31/12/2014 06:16, Bernd Eckenfels a écrit :
> > Jochen asked about the release plugin in the context of Git
> > migration. It might safe routine work for releases, but it seems to
> > me also underspecified in the context of Apache Commons (with SVN
> > and Git)
> > 
> > [VFS] uses the release plugin (at least the last release did). I
> > intent to do the next release with it (I have some experience at
> > work with the release plugin (and Git)).
> > 
> > However there are still a few open points I had raised in one of my
> > last mails (and they are not Git specific):
> > 
> > - I dont know of a way to cut a RC which later on gets turned into a
> >   release (like most Commons projects which are manually released
> > do). The reason for this is: it will put the scm tag it uses (which
> > would be a commons-vfs-2.1-RC1) into the SCM URL. (so if you want
> > to create a RC with the final scm url but without applying the
> > final tag to svn/git for later creation, this wont work).
> > 
> > At least I dont know how. So there would be two possible
> > alternatives: you either have to cut a RC with a RC-tag first and
> > then re-run the process with the release. (it is unclear how much
> > we need to vote then).
> > 
> > Or it could mean, that a final version tag could be created before
> > vote, and needs to be rolled back if the vote fails. It seems to be
> > frowned upon touching such tags, but I havent received an
> > alternative suggestion which would work.
> You can look at the release howto we have at [math] here:
> <;a=blob_plain;f=doc/release/release.howto.txt;hb=HEAD>.
> This howto was written by Gilles and I updated it for git usage. The
> 3.4 release from last week
> was done using this process.

Thanks, I have seen that. The problem is it wont apply to
release-plugin releases, but it is helpful for all the steps around the

> The idea was to have a branch for the release candidates, and to set
> up tags (which can be cryptographically sign in Git) with RC numbers
> as successive candidates were drawn.

I understand the process, the problem is you cannot do it with the
release-plugin this way. Because if you tell it to create a
"commons-vfs2-2.1-RC1" tag, then it will also put this tag inside the
POM, which is not what you want to have when it is later the final

> None of the tags are ever
> removed. When the final RC vote succeeds, an additional tag was put
> on the same commit to remember this was the selected one.

I am not talking about removing RC tags which are actual candidates, I
was talking about rolling back which is needed for the release plugin
as it wants to do all steps in a single action (and as those are
sometimes network related they can fail).

>  In git
> world, tags are put "on" a commit, they do not modify the commit,
> they just correspond to something you stick on it to give it a name
> easier to remember than a SHA1 checksum. They can be put long after
> the commit was done. So the final MATH_3_4 tag in our case was
> applied after the vote, on the same commit tag MATH_3_4_RC3 was
> applied to (but obviously MATH_3_4_RC3 was created before the vote).

Yes, but when you do it manual, you can put the right tag into the POM
(MATH_3_4), for the release-plugin it would be MATH_3_4_RC3. 

BTW: you relesed POM does not contain the tag, it points to the master
branch. You should add that to your build process. For SVN you put the
tag in the url for git you add <scn>...<tag>MATH_3_4</tag></scm>.

> We didn't use the release plugin.
> > 
> > Ralph documented a release process for log4j2 with the release
> > plugin where he would use the final product version to stage a
> > candidate. If the vote fails he would rename the released that to a
> > RC, but he runs all release-plugin invocations with the final
> > version. This would be my prefered way as well.
> > 
> > I also expect (especially with SVN where the push cannot be delayed
> > like in Git) that some tries with the release-plugin fail. I know
> > this from experience and I would feel very uneasy if it is not
> > allowd to remove/rename those failed tags.
> > 
> > My current preferd method would look like:
> > 
> > - cut a release candidate with a -RC1 scm tag with the release
> > plugin. Publish the result for review. (when something fails
> > abandon the RC tag and use the next one).
> > - iterate as long as there a major concerns (this actually requires
> >   some reviewers before the vote please!)
> > - once I feel confident that a RC might pass the review/vote I will
> >   actually cut the next RC specifying the final (non -RC) tag. This
> >   will produce archives with the proper version-number in the
> > scmtag, it also will generate a scm tag with the final version
> > number (and staged artifacts).
> If release plugin relies on buildnumber-maven-plugin, you should check
> if it works. It is expected to work, but I was not able to have it
> extract correctly the version.

I dont think it does rely, but of course the build does. (and it works
I think, however its not an issue for this release, I want to cut it
from SVN).

> See my previous message here:
> <>. I had to switch to
> maven-jgit-buildnumber-plugin. I did not had time to investigate this
> further, but I would clearly prefer to come back to
> buildnumber-maven-plugin and have some configuration set up in parent
> pom to switch automatically.

I think the only problem is scmBranch which is not set, but we also not
use it.

> > - vote on it
> >   - if the vote passes, promote the realse
> >   - if the vote fails rename the scm tags to the -RCy
> This sound overly complicated. Adding tags is possible, so it should
> probably be prefered to removing tags. Basically, the final commit
> is both RCy and final, so it deserves having two tags.

The reason for the complicated process is, because I want to have the
correct tag in the released POM. 

> > 
> > This (with the additional RC step) is basically like Ralph
> > documented it for log4j2. How can I get a decision on this process?
> > Can I call for a vote if this is acceptable? (it will work for SVN
> > and GIT).
> > 
> > 
> > BTW: I think normally the release plugin will not make the release
> > version in its own branch, it will show up in trunk/master. I think
> > it might be configured differently with using a branch. But given
> > the fact that those scn objects are rather immutable, I do not even
> > try to use that.
> Why not? What we did for [math] was creating a release-candidates
> branch, cutting all RC from there (and merging master back into this
> branch as fixes were introduced in master after failed votes), and at
> the end the release-candidates branch was merged back to master and
> deleted.

I think the release-plugin can work on a rc branch, but it cannot make
the release commit (the one with the non-snapshot pom) independend of
this branch. (the question is if the RCtags and the release tag point
to a commit on the master branch or not. From reading the list, it is
prefered to not be on master/trunk).

> In git, a branch is simply a name pointing to a place in the
> history and moving along as new commits are added on it. Deleting the
> branch after it has been merged is not deleting the underlying
> commits, it is just deleting the name "release-candidates" as it is
> not useful anymore. The commits are safe, and the changes have been
> merged back into master so they will stay there for posterity. The
> name release-candidates can be reused when the next release will be
> worked on.

Yes sure, its most likely a good method - at least for Git.

> So I do not understand what you are saying about immutable objects.
> Branches are not immutable. Commits are immutable, but they can be
> created on a temporary branch. When the branch will be merged back,
> those commits will be part of the shared history of several other
> branches, regardless of the original branch being deleted or not.

I was talking about deleting failed tags - in the context of the
release-plugin (as it tends to fail often).


> best regards,
> Luc
> > 
> > Or maybe lets shortcut this mail: is there a release-plugin using
> > commons subproject with a documentation on the whole process?
> > 
> > Gruss
> > Bernd
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At work I use the release plugin quite heavily Am Wed, 31 Dec 2014
> > 01:38:14 +0100 schrieb Jochen Wiedmann <>:
> > 
> >> 1.) And why don't you intend to use this plugin? I know, it is a
> >> non-trivial task to use it, but
> >>      my impression is that it's worth to struggle yourself through.
> >> 2.) Has anyone already attempted to use the release plugin with
> >> git? Is that possible in our
> >>      scenario? (Have to admit, I still don't really understand the
> >> relationship between the old
> >>      svn repo and a new git repo.)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Jochen
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > 
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