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From Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [ALL] Do we need help?
Date Sun, 30 Nov 2014 14:40:46 GMT
We should start a separate ML thread of VFS.

Gary

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Bernd Eckenfels <ecki@zusammenkunft.net>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> well I dont think we need to dig into the past, no matter if a RM is
> assigned or not, a release will happen when people get around to do it.
> And since the people who can do it are already overloaded it can get
> tricky.
>
> And I think the biggest roadblock is the large number of changes which
> have been implemented and which need to be ironed out in terms of
> compatibility. (Clirr Report especially).
>
> Greetings
> Bernd
>
> PS: in VFS-523 there are some open questions. I would like to go with
> the removal. However I think with updated hdfs libraries the windows
> tests do not work anymore, which makes it hard for me to test.
>
>
>  Am Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:36:35
> -0500 schrieb <dlmarion@comcast.net>:
>
> >
> >  Sorry, I thought a RM had been assigned[1]. I don't think I have any
> > patches for open tickets, the tickets that I am interested in
> > (487,500,530) already have patches waiting to be applied.
> > Additionally, if there are open issues w/r/t HDFS integration, then I
> > can address them as well. The only HDFS related issues I see at this
> > time are 523 and 530, both of which have patches. I can update 530
> > with a more recent version of HDFS before a release of VFS.
> >
> > I don't remember seeing a previous discussion regarding a 2.1
> > release. It's very possible I missed it or it was filtered. Please
> > let me know how I can help.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/commons-dev/201407.mbox/%3CCACZkXPz
> > M5a3PEqk8Yq6TJdued6bNLd_286xKeEqAeuNMv6Svyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bernd Eckenfels [mailto:ecki@zusammenkunft.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:21 PM
> > To: dlmarion@comcast.net
> > Cc: Commons Developers List
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Do we need help?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I dont think we have a release manager for VFS, but I am still
> > working on Bugs. If you have a patch for a Bug which affects you,
> > please upload it to Jira. We can need all helps to prune them down.
> > Right now we have 3 blockers open. 2 in the area of FTP which I do
> > not have much experience with and one memory leaks where I am working
> > on.
> >
> > Once those are closed or downgraded we can try a release. However
> > last time I tried to start a discussion not much help was received. I
> > suspect this might chnage when the first RC is put out and all the
> > negative votes come in (there is a large Clirr report and while I
> > think most of it is acceptable, I really think we need to talk about
> > it).
> >
> > This is where Garys question comes in. Yes we might be a volunteering
> > organisation, but certain things bottleneck on experienced people in
> > the PMC. And I dont really know a way around this.
> >
> > Gruss
> > Bernd
> >
> >  Am Sat, 29 Nov
> > 2014 15:27:02 +0000 (UTC) schrieb dlmarion@comcast.net:
> >
> > >
> > > My 2 cents as an outsider, for what it's worth. I have contributed
> > > code to VFS and we use VFS in Accumulo. I and several others have
> > > asked for a 2.1 release, or at least a plan/roadmap so that we know
> > > what has to happen before a release can occur. I even offered to
> > > help in any way possible[1]. The answer I received was that a
> > > release manager was assigned, but no other information. Since then
> > > I have seen a bunch of other commons projects being released. I
> > > figure that maybe they are dependencies and need to be released
> > > first before a VFS release.
> > >
> > > Personally, I would like to remove the VFS objects from Accumulo
> > > when VFS 2.1 is released. I know that we are also running into
> > > VFS-487, which I spent some time updating the patch and verifying
> > > the tests work. I would like to update the HDFS dependency to the
> > > latest before the 2.1 release (VFS-530), but I don't know when that
> > > is going to happen. I would also like to take advantage of some of
> > > the fixes in 2.1, like VFS-500.
> > >
> > > I understand this is a volunteer organization and everyone is busy.
> > > However, from my perspective, you have turned down an offer to help.
> > > FWIW, I have thought about taking VFS 2.1-SNAPSHOT, applying the
> > > patches I want, and creating a release for use on my project (not
> > > Accumulo).
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/commons-dev/201406.mbox/%3C42
> > > 3905266.3540581.1402347208157.JavaMail.root@comcast.net%3E
> > >
> > > - Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: "Gary Gregory" <garydgregory@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:42:35 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [ALL] Do we need help?
> > >
> > > It feels overwhelming sometimes sure, but for me I just realize
> > > that this is just a self inflicted feeling. We are all volunteers
> > > here with no contractual or "hard" expectations. We could do better
> > > at managing expectations for certain and recruiting new blood, yes.
> > > But that takes time away from fun development tasks... I usually
> > > ask for patches as soon as someone asks for a fix or feature. At
> > > least that should make it more obvious to users and the community
> > > that you get out of Commons what you put in to some extent.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Benedikt
> > > Ritter <britter@apache.org> </div><div>Date:11/29/2014 05:53
> > > (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Commons Developers List
> > > <dev@commons.apache.org> </div><div>Cc: </div><div>Subject:
[ALL]
> > > Do we need help? </div><div> </div>Hi all,
> > >
> > > currently I feel really overwhelmed by the stuff I'd like to do at
> > > commons and the little time I can spend for it. Here is an
> > > (incomplete) list of the things I'd like to work on:
> > >
> > > - get a new release of the build plugin out of the door for auto
> > > creating README.md and CONTRIBUTING.md
> > > - Work on [VALIDATOR] and get a new release out of the door
> > > - Work on [DBUTILS] and get a new release out of the door
> > > - Push [lang] 3.4 out of the door
> > > - Have a look at [compress] 2.0
> > > - Backport important fixes from [collections] 4.0 to 3.x and create
> > > a last service update
> > > - work on [text]
> > > - help releasing [imaging] 1.0
> > > - Improve docs on how to get involved at commons
> > > - Organize a logo contest for commons
> > > - ... many more
> > >
> > > I wonder how you feel about this. I have the feeling that a lot of
> > > people ask us to fix stuff and release components but we don't
> > > really catch up with this. This will give people the feeling that
> > > we are slow or we simply don't care.
> > > Whenever I see someone posting on JIRA "can you please fix this, we
> > > need this in out application" and nobody is reacting, I feel
> > > tempted to jump right in, even if I don't know the component (which
> > > adds another entry to the list above).
> > > I don't see a way how we can improve this. My feeling is, that we
> > > need more committers. But then I have the comments of people I've
> > > talked to in my ear: "to old school", "to difficult to get
> > > involved", "to slow development process", "to unwelcoming
> > > community". So what do we do? Do we need help?
> > >
> > > I'm excited to hear your thoughts :-)
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Benedikt
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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