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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [JCS] Rework logging
Date Thu, 21 Aug 2014 19:45:26 GMT
Romain,

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
<rmannibucau@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2014-08-21 21:15 GMT+02:00 Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>:
> Not adding a dependency for one line answer.
>
> For longer one: take tomee example: we have [logging], slf4j cause of
> dependencies but as soon as we'll be able we'll drop them *by
> default*. We use JUL by default since tomcat integration is not that
> bad and cause it is built in in the JDK. If you add logging
> dependencies in the container then you need fine integration to let
> the application override it/use custom configuration. That's why less
> dependency we take better it is.
>
> I never said log4j2 was bad - actually once 2-3 bugs are fixed I think
> it is really good - but that's really a matter of integration and
> environment.

actually your arguments were all technical based while i often read
"we don't need it" as counter arguments for many proposed changes in
commons.

> JCS will not only be used as app lib but also as container component
> which changes a little bit the constraints.

I don't like JUL, but your argumentation is good. I also like zero
deps libraries.

That said, commons-logging is the wrong choice in any case.

Cheers,
Christian



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