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From Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [CODEC] Beider Morse Phonetic Matching Bug and questions
Date Thu, 12 Jun 2014 13:33:12 GMT
Hm, interesting. Well, I can see getting starting privately, but a post of
some kind should be made to the dev and user lists that we dealt with a
licensing issue once we have it all squared away... IMO.

Gary


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Thomas Neidhart <thomas.neidhart@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, my baseline was always that you should not post private
> communications to public mailinglists without the consent of any involved
> third-party.
> As I am not sure if the people involved did give their permission to do so,
> I think it is safe to send it to private@.
>
> btw. permissions or ICLA / CCLAs sent to Apache are also not publicly
> available to my knowledge (although this would be quite interesting).
>
> Thomas
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I would think we want the trail to be public to show that we indeed have
> > the proper license with proper provenance. What privacy issue? Why should
> > this not be transparent process?
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Thomas Neidhart <
> > thomas.neidhart@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > to preserve privacy as this is a public mailinglist, could you please
> > > forward the relevant email thread to private@commons.apache.org ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Michael Tobias <michael@tobias.org.uk
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Steve Morse has supplied me with an email trail from May 2011 where
> > both
> > > > he and Alexander Beider give their permission to the developer who
> > ported
> > > > the code from php to java to allow the algorithm to be licensed under
> > the
> > > > Apache 2 open-source license.
> > > >
> > > > I can post the thread here or submit it privately - your call.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gary Gregory [mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: 11 June 2014 16:39
> > > > To: Commons Developers List
> > > > Subject: Re: [CODEC] Beider Morse Phonetic Matching Bug and questions
> > > >
> > > > I can but it won't be for s couple of hours...
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > > >
> > > > <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From:
Thomas
> > Neidhart <
> > > > thomas.neidhart@gmail.com> </div><div>Date:06/11/2014 
11:16
> > >  (GMT-05:00)
> > > > </div><div>To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
> > > > </div><div>Subject: Re: [CODEC] Beider Morse Phonetic Matching
Bug
> and
> > > > questions </div><div> </div>He stated several times
that the
> > contributed
> > > > code is a port from php, but it looks like that everybody assumed he
> > was
> > > > the copyright owner of the php code (which he obviously isn't).
> > > >
> > > > It is important to add links (e.g. papers or reference
> implementations)
> > > > for such code / algorithms, especially in the case of ported code.
> > > > Not only to have a clear trace of the license situation but also to
> be
> > > > able to backport changes/fixes from the original source.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the re-licensing of the original source:
> > > >
> > > > I hope the authors agree, but usually there is a reason why code is
> > > > published under GPL rather than BSD/MIT/Apache style licenses.
> > > > An option would be to explicitly grant the ASF the permission to use
> > > their
> > > > code (including the rule files) so that they do not have to
> re-publish
> > > > their own code.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding a clean-room implementation: I do not think this is
> feasible,
> > > as
> > > > the core of the algorithm are the associated rule files which also do
> > not
> > > > appear in the paper itself.
> > > >
> > > > As the maintainer of codec, do you want to contact the authors about
> > this
> > > > issue?
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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