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From Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?
Date Sat, 23 Nov 2013 16:55:21 GMT
Jason submitted his patch [1], what should we do? apply or leave it?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OGNL-239


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2013/11/14 Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>:
> On 14 Nov 2013, at 10:01, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>
>> Le 10/11/2013 21:46, Christian Grobmeier a écrit :
>>
>>> From all the log4j talks I gave recently there were zero people using
>>> commons-logging. For me it is dead.
>>
>>
>> For what it's worth, the install base of commons-logging in Debian is
>> ten times the one of slf4j, and there is no sign of it declining:
>
>
> Not sure how debian users install that package and why. Maybe its indirectly
> referenced by some widley used software package. I don't know.
> That statistics doesn't count much to me.
>
> Of course my experiences cannot be generalized too. They are subjective. But
> if you
> ask your audience who is using what and nobody uses commons-logging it makes
> you think.
> This has happened at multiple talks reaching a total of around 1500 persons.
>
>
>> We'll soon have an opportunity to improve commons-logging while
>> preserving backward compatibility thanks to the default methods in Java 8.
>
>
> Preserving backwards compatibility? Till when? 2020? Too much backwards
> compatibility
> broke Commons. While other projects are not doing enough for bc, we are
> doing too much.
>
> Java 8 is in future. In the meantime other logging frameworks will go on.
>
> I have seen people are annoyed of the back and forth of logging. Commons
> Logging ads just some spice
> to the problems of logging, but not a real solution. I have had some hard
> fights with promoting
> Log4j2. I am not going to put any effort to fix commons-logging as I don't
> see the value.
>
> Instead, I am going to spent my time to Log4j 2 and I am really surprised to
> hear
> that some Commons folks prefer to make commons-logging looking modern
> instead of contributing
> to Log4j2 which also provides a modern API.
>
> Anyway, its up to you folks. Have fun!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>>
>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>
>>
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