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From Dave Brosius <dbros...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant
Date Tue, 15 Oct 2013 05:33:47 GMT
I couldn't disagree more. Dormant/attic means the project has leprosy. I 
don't know the answer to this, but wondering, has there ever been a 
commit to an attic'ed project? I personally would never think of doing that.



On 10/15/2013 01:22 AM, Benedikt Ritter wrote:
>
>> Am 15.10.2013 um 07:14 schrieb Dave Brosius <dbrosius@apache.org>:
>>
>> Perhaps for new users, however there are lots of projects currently using these libraries.
We are extending the middle finger to them by doing this. I would come away thinking i'm not
going to risk using any Apache library, if I they will  just yank away the next project i
choose to use sometime in the near future. I'm fine with putting a message on the site that
says, this project is in desperate need of supporters, developers, testers, documentation
folks, etc, etc. without which maintenance and support will be next to impossible. That would
warn new users fairly enough imo.
> That's basically what dormant means...
>
>> dave
>>
>>
>>
>> A project is only one of these clients needing a fix away from re-engaging.
>>
>> On 10/15/2013 12:59 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>> Three values jump out to me:
>>>
>>> * First is for our users. Having code available that no one is supporting
>>> while giving the appearance of support (ie: active Commons) is a bad
>>> experience.
>>> * Second (generally for the ASF) is that if we have code we can't maintain,
>>> because there is no one who can handle some critical issue, then we
>>> shouldn't be treating it as a live project. That's always been something
>>> Commons could get around by knowing that some of the committers will dig
>>> into unknown component A and figure out what the critical issue is in the
>>> rare times it's come up.
>>> * Third is that it provides focus to not be trying to fix all of the
>>> inactive components when we change the build or site. Though perhaps we
>>> just leave it all broken anyway :)
>>>
>>> Hen
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Dave Brosius <dbrosius@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I vote -1 to this process. I see no value in attic-izing projects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/14/2013 11:55 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I contend that all of the Commons components are inactive and should
move
>>>>> to the Attic/Dormant. In line with Phil's recent suggestion that anyone
>>>>> can
>>>>> present a dormancy challenge at any time, I'm challenging all of Commons
>>>>> Proper.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've made a file in SVN:
>>>>>
>>>>>       https://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/commons/trunks-proper/**
>>>>> CHALLENGE.txt<https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/trunks-proper/CHALLENGE.txt>
>>>>>
>>>>> If committers could put their ids next to components they actively monitor
>>>>> the commits, JIRA, mailing list for, then we can determine, by
>>>>> elimination,
>>>>> the components that should be considered for dormancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose we review the state of the file at the start of November :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hen
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