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From Jörg Schaible <Joerg.Schai...@scalaris.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Commons Daemon 1.0.15
Date Thu, 04 Apr 2013 08:33:06 GMT
Hi,

sebb wrote:

> On 3 April 2013 11:12, Mladen Turk <mturk@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 04/03/2013 11:48 AM, sebb wrote:
>>
>>> On 3 April 2013 06:56, Mladen Turk <mturk@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  So building from the tag should be equivalent to building from the
>>>>> source
>>>>> archive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Not necessary. Source distribution might have some pre-generated
>>>>>  code.
>>>> Many projects work like that and some even require manual handcraft
>>>> from release manager.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The two should be identical except for the SVN files (and perhaps FOAF
>>> etc
>>> that only belong in SVN).
>>>
>>>
>> Says who? Take a look at APR, Httpd, Tomcat (those are the one I know)
>>
> 
> It's true of all Commons components, and JMeter and HttpComponents.
> 
> 
>>
>>  Third parties need to be able to build from the tag if they wish.
>>>
>>>
>> You said earlier:
>>
>> "building from the tag should be equivalent to building from the source
>> archive"
>>
>> This is clearly not the case with our products.
>>
> 
> It is true for the projects I am familiar with.
> 
> 
>> I'm sure infrastructure team would very pleased with the idea that our
>> main distribution media is SVN rather then maintaining all those
>> mirroring around the world ;)
>>
> 
> That's irrelevant; it does not mean that 3rd parties have to build from
> the SVN tag.
> Merely that it should be possible to do so.
> 
> Indeed that's what the CI systems (Buildr, Continuum, Jenkins) do.
> Well, they don't use a tag, but they still build from SVN.
> Which is another reason why having the SVN details is useful - it's
> possible to track the source of a snapshot build.

However, it is more than unfortunate that the manifest entry simply contains 
nonsense if it is not build from a checkout. Best would be an automated 
profile.

- Jörg


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