Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 350839CD6 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3421 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2012 08:51:26 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 3283 invoked by uid 500); 14 Mar 2012 08:51:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@commons.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 3269 invoked by uid 99); 14 Mar 2012 08:51:26 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:51:26 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [193.74.71.26] (HELO hel.is.scarlet.be) (193.74.71.26) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:51:20 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1331715059; bh=1G6I+WgOwXMMfuqQbEE0ZfczlXcZtNSCm2lTOHIYauo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=IkL00cf04eXeog9AaUYkSTgQpATRL2LkFsm+khLMgB/wZxgt/jvuG9XGVfa+Fcr/W g1bANIMnObfOty4jhI0ovkrKV37iw4Bf655kUlpfav6JPBqeLD/zBWvYoc6OOEM677 ZB36Enh4EMhMg4cKJD1kZxa7dm7dd8oyjtbQokCI= Received: from mail.harfang.homelinux.org (ip-213-49-249-31.dsl.scarlet.be [213.49.249.31]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q2E8ownC030752 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:58 +0100 X-Scarlet: d=1331715058 c=213.49.249.31 Received: from localhost (mail.harfang.homelinux.org [192.168.20.11]) by mail.harfang.homelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F4561CEB for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.harfang.homelinux.org ([192.168.20.11]) by localhost (mail.harfang.homelinux.org [192.168.20.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XAUK0QM0BCNa for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from dusk.harfang.homelinux.org (mail.harfang.homelinux.org [192.168.20.11]) by mail.harfang.homelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A0C6181A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from eran by dusk.harfang.homelinux.org with local (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S7jv1-0007bH-IR for dev@commons.apache.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:50:51 +0100 From: Gilles Sadowski To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [ALL] Commons Parent reports Message-ID: <20120314085051.GO14057@dusk.harfang.homelinux.org> Mail-Followup-To: dev@commons.apache.org References: <20120313130932.GH14057@dusk.harfang.homelinux.org> <20120313140002.GI14057@dusk.harfang.homelinux.org> <20120313160016.GK14057@dusk.harfang.homelinux.org> <20120313164008.GM14057@dusk.harfang.homelinux.org> <4976363900934112448@unknownmsgid> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4976363900934112448@unknownmsgid> X-Operating-System: Tiny Tux X-PGP-Key-Fingerprint: 53B9 972E C2E6 B93C BEAD 7092 09E6 AF46 51D0 5641 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20002; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.1-exp at hel X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 01:52:32PM -0400, Gary Gregory wrote: > On Mar 13, 2012, at 12:40, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > >>> > >>>>> [...] > >>>>> > >>>>> The tools are there, but you have to tell people that they _must_ use them. > >>>> > >>>> Commons has already enough rules and process. As long as the releases > >>>> are have clean code I wouldn't be too anal about the commits in > >>>> between. > >>> > >>> I think that the main disagreement is here. Source code must be a clear read > >>> for the _developers_. To put it bluntly, I don't care that the releases have > >>> cleanly formatted code, as almost nobody is going to read those packaged > >>> sources! > > Au contraire, most users will /only/ look at the source jar because > that is what you use in the debugger! Here IMHO you are talking about _developers_. By users I meant people who include the classes JAR in their classpath. They will at most look at the API docs. Gilles --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org