Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 306BB8025 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 75722 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2011 08:09:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 74673 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2011 08:09:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@commons.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 74631 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2011 08:09:31 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:09:31 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [88.84.128.168] (HELO samaflost.de) (88.84.128.168) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:09:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by samaflost.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2D440E000A for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:09:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from samaflost.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (v35516.1blu.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MPegah2-pId for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:09:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by samaflost.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BAE4D40E0009; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:09:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Bodewig To: dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy References: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:09:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Henri Yandell's message of "Tue, 9 Aug 2011 23:02:49 -0700") Message-ID: <87wrelvgbj.fsf@v35516.1blu.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2011-08-10, Henri Yandell wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ceki Gulcu wrote: >> * On the ASF model >> In a nutshell, while the ASF is a great organization in many ways, it >> is not a meritocracy mainly because merit is not measured at all and >> at the project level no responsiblity is accrued on merit beyond >> committership. BTW, the BDFL model is not a meritocracy >> either. Finding a good model for running organisations is no simple >> matter. The Apache model may even be better than some but it bothers >> me that the ASF misrepresents itself as a meritocracy. > Yup. > Damn... should probably say more. +1 to all you've said (including the stuff I snipped). > It does worry me, the balance between innovation and stability (rules > for revs), and the interaction of lots of skilled people. On the > latter the meme is "Go to ApacheCon". Meet someone face to face and > much of the irritation that can build up fades away. > Looking forward to meeting many of you at ApacheCon Vancouver :) Or any of the smaller opportunities that pop up every now and then. For those of us in Europe who won't make it to Vancouver the next one seems to be Amsterdam in October: http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/AmsterdamHackathon2011 Stefan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org