Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA6078B1C for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46023 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2011 15:06:31 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 45803 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2011 15:06:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@commons.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 45794 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2011 15:06:30 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:06:30 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [85.218.33.218] (HELO mail.qos.ch) (85.218.33.218) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:06:22 +0000 Received: by mail.qos.ch (Postfix, from userid 1006) id E43A43C4695; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on torino X-Spam-Level: * Received: from [192.168.1.35] (14-83.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch [188.61.83.14]) by mail.qos.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3643C456B for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:09:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E429E5C.3000102@qos.ch> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:06:04 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2VraSBHw7xsY8O8?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [general] Apache + Meritocracy [Was: [logging] logging vs slf4j] References: <4E428255.6070107@qos.ch> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Old-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.7 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 On 10/08/2011 3:59 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > > "Creating a branch of commons-digester using SLF4J/jul/log4jv2 will > not convince anyone." > > I am sorry, but deciding for other people what they are going to think > is no way to go either. > > Experimenting by branching is leading by example. This is a good > option when a discussion on a mailing list stalls or is caught in a > loop. Some people can see it all in the abstract and in words but > trying code out can help everyone see an issue clearly. "Creating a branch of commons-digester using SLF4J/jul/log4jv2 will not convince anyone" because it is a trivial exercise. The sentence should *not* be generalized to all experiments and branches. It applies only to replacing one logging API with another fairly similar logging API. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org