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From Stephen Colebourne <scolebou...@joda.org>
Subject Re: [collections] 4.0 release path
Date Fri, 05 Aug 2011 09:32:17 GMT
I don't mind multiple releases with (2), thats a see how it goes type approach.
Stephen

On 5 August 2011 08:38, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com> wrote:
> Repeating myself just to make sure you're in full agreement; there
> would be multiple releases within your 2) state. ie) Maybe we
> genericize one method and then release [to take it to extremes].
>
> Hen
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Stephen Colebourne
> <scolebourne@joda.org> wrote:
>> I agree with this. And I think it serves users better, many of whom
>> have migrated to Google Guava.
>>
>> 1) New bug fix only release, JDK 1.4 compatible
>> 2) New release with some generics, backwards compatible
>> 3) Re-evaluate whether an incompatible release makes sense
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On 5 August 2011 07:12, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think we should move the current trunk off and call it generics-RnD.
>>>
>>> Then we should copy 3.2 over to trunk (or maybe 3.3, I seem to recall
>>> that prior to merging the generics in we had a 3.3 ready for release).
>>>
>>> We then release 3.3.
>>>
>>> Then we start 3.4. We genericize some tiny part of it in a binary
>>> compat way. Release.
>>> 3.5. Genericize a bit more. Release.
>>> 3.6... etc.
>>>
>>> We use generics-RnD code, pulling it over (and maybe deleting when
>>> considered happy).
>>>
>>> Somewhere around about 3.28 we can decide to start on 4.0, pulling
>>> over the remainder of generics-RnD.
>>>
>>> Hen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne@joda.org>
wrote:
>>>> I think that a key mistake was trying to do both generics and
>>>> refactoring. I'd suggest that quite a few users would simply like a
>>>> generified [collections] 3.5 that is fully backwards compatible (as
>>>> the JDK was) and with no refactoring.
>>>>
>>>> Now, some of the API cannot be generified correctly, so  for a v3.5,
>>>> those should simply be left as raw types.
>>>>
>>>> Of course doing the above isn't fun, as it involves going back
>>>> (again), but it it probably the right approach.
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 August 2011 16:01, Paul Benedict <pbenedict@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Or do a pure generics release as 3.5 to satisfy that need... which
>>>>> allows 4.0 to have generics plus the benefit of major refactoring if
>>>>> necessary (could also be called 4.0 and 5.0).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>> The most important theme IMO is generics. That's what has come
up at
>>>>>>> work recently in fact. Everything else except showstopper bugs
can
>>>>>>> wait IMO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, this seems to resonate with Hen's recent treatise on
>>>>>> (paraphrased) why the hell we take so long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all guys,
>>>>>>>> I'm (re)starting having a good slot of spare time, I volunteered
to
>>>>>>>> help Matt on finalizing the [collections] release, but after
had a
>>>>>>>> look at the open issues I think we should agree on what including
and
>>>>>>>> what not.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone already have a good overview/idea of collections
roadmap?
>>>>>>>> Many thanks in advance, have a nice day!!!
>>>>>>>> Simo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>>>>>> http://www.99soft.org/
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://garygregory.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>> http://garygregory.com/
>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~ggregory/
>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
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