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Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +0200
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Subject: Re: [ALL] BCEL and JCS as Commons components?
From: Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org>
To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>, gudnabrsam@gmail.com
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+1 to Matt, wise said :)

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wrote:
> First, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who hadn't heard of JCS.
> Considering [1], I'd say it's more relevant now than, arguably, ever.
> I'd like to work on it. =C2=A0From the Jakarta threads, Thomas Vandahl
> offered to step up, so given our low bar for existing ASF committers,
> it should have enough care to ensure its welfare. =C2=A0Not sure what
> factors contributed to the stagnation of BCEL development, but I like
> to think of Commons as "the" swiss army knife for Java developers--any
> library with a sharply defined surface area and, even better,
> satisfying some need commonly encountered by Java developers, belongs
> here IMO. =C2=A0I guess I'm saying these components probably should have
> been under the Commons umbrella as soon as it "opened." =C2=A0If they can=
't
> thrive here, they can be stuffed in the attic later, but what can it
> hurt to bring them in and see what happens?
>
> Matt
>
> [1] http://groups.google.com/group/jsr107/browse_thread/thread/9a4153ee37=
5f44ae
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:52 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16 June 2011 14:53, Torsten Curdt <tcurdt@vafer.org> wrote:
>>> <snip/>
>>>
>>> Given that I have looked a bit after BCEL over the past few years here
>>> are my two cents:
>>>
>>> BCEL development is dead dead dead ... still people come and use it.
>>> Why they don't use ASM is beyond me. I myself use ASM whenever I can.
>>
>> Just checked Findbugs and they seem to be using ASM and BCEL, so
>> perhaps they have found something that BCEL does better than ASM?
>>
>>> For those how want "easier" I would suggest javassist ...if it wasn't L=
GPL
>>> (although I heard it is now dual licensed LGPL + MPL)
>>>
>>> That said BCEL trunk has quite some major fixes and changes.
>>> Due to lack of feedback and testers this has never been released.
>>> And I don't see that happening anytime soon.
>>>
>>> BCEL is one of the few failed Apache communities.
>>> A couple people/groups/projects have forked it without ever contributin=
g back.
>>> This would have been crucial for this so very specialized code base.
>>> Not pointing fingers - it was very poorly maintained before.
>>>
>>> After the years I have given up hope on BCEL.
>>> Being part of Commons ... hm ... doesn't feel right.
>>> Who would step up and work on it here? (anyone?)
>>
>> If there is a need for a new release, I would work on it.
>>
>>> IMO attic would reflect the reality. Just not sure whether we should
>>> do a release before or not.
>>>
>>>> Regarding Tomcat usage - it might be of interest to the new commons
>>>> sandbox component - formerly Meiyo. Tomcat 7 uses BCEL to scan
>>>> annotations without the need to load classes through a class loader.
>>>
>>> With all honesty - it should switch to ASM and not look back.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> Torsten
>>> --
>>> http://www.yourdailygeekery.com
>>> http://www.torstencurdt.com
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