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From Simone Tripodi <simonetrip...@apache.org>
Subject Re: OGNL Infrastructure questions
Date Tue, 03 May 2011 12:20:26 GMT
Hi all guys,
do you agree on Gavin's suggestion on INFRA-3600[1]?
I agree but before giving him the confirmation can someone please review?
Many thanks in advance,
Simo

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3600

http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi again,
> As you already noticed, the main Issue is INFRA-3597[1].
> Many thanks in advance!
> Simo
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3597
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi all guys,
>> the discussion in following up on INFRA-3601[1], please join to
>> correct me if I'm wrong!
>> Many thanks in advance,
>> Simo
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-3601
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>> just for the record (for the new contributors). As long as your incubating the
following rules apply:
>>>
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
>>>
>>> At the time you graduate you need to check who really was active and 'cleanup'
the PPMC. So not every person which was on the PPMC automatically makes it to the final PMC
anyway ...
>>>
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 5/2/11, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: OGNL Infrastructure questions
>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 7:11 AM
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/5/2 Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>:
>>>> >> My issue (for the commons PMC I guess) is how
>>>> committer votes will
>>>> >> happen when OGNL graduates.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> After graduation, how would one of the current
>>>> contributors propose a
>>>> >> new committer if they are not themselves on the
>>>> Commons PMC?
>>>> >
>>>> > Proposal:
>>>> >
>>>> > - If you are a Commons PMC Member, you are an OGNL
>>>> PPMC member by default
>>>> > - If a Committer is invited to the PPMC, an additional
>>>> vote on Commons
>>>> > PMC is necessary, b/c he will join the Commons PMC
>>>> after graduation by
>>>> > default
>>>> > - A contributor can be proposed by anybody - its up to
>>>> the PPMC to open the vote
>>>> > - A new Committer can be elected by the PPMC with
>>>> binding votes; as
>>>> > usual other Committers can vote unbinding. I don't
>>>> think it creates
>>>> > any problems b/c usually there is already a consens on
>>>> adding a person
>>>> > before calling a vote.
>>>> >
>>>> > Makes sense?
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> > Christian
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Upayavira
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, 01 May 2011 19:56 +0200, "Simone Tripodi"
>>>> >> <simonetripodi@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi Upayavira!!!
>>>> >>> I agree that commons folks can have rw rights,
>>>> so people are already
>>>> >>> used to co-work in the 'commons way'.
>>>> >>> Moreover, I agreed on joining
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> - dev@commons.a.o
>>>> >>> - users@commons.a.o
>>>> >>> - issues@commons.a.o
>>>> >>> - create the private ML where commons PMCs can
>>>> join.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Does it make sense?
>>>> >>> Simo
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>> >>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Upayavira
>>>> <uv@odoko.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> > use commons-user: +1
>>>> >>> > put SVN in 'incubator' space: +1
>>>> >>> > grant "commons rw: +1 (assuming current
>>>> OGNL committers agree)
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > As to a private list, I think the benefit
>>>> would be the opportunity for
>>>> >>> > the OGNL committers to learn how such
>>>> management happens. Where, for
>>>> >>> > example, would committer votes happen?
>>>> The issue with graduation to
>>>> >>> > Commons is what happens after graduation
>>>> - do they suddenly loose some
>>>> >>> > power over their own affairs, e.g. ease
>>>> of seeing vote threads. So not
>>>> >>> > sure the best on this one.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Upayavira
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:29 -0700, "Henri
>>>> Yandell" <flamefew@gmail.com>
>>>> >>> > wrote:
>>>> >>> >> Agreed, no need to use the svn
>>>> location from Commons; though I ask to
>>>> >>> >> allow @commons rw access.
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> The committer of the podling would
>>>> not automatically become PMC
>>>> >>> >> members, so I don't think there is a
>>>> need to setup a private list (or
>>>> >>> >> even to consider it a PPMC).
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> Hen
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:05 PM,
>>>> Christian Grobmeier
>>>> >>> >> <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >> we could share MLs and also
>>>> SVN (Sandbox
>>>> >>> >> >> would be nice, not?)
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> > MLs are fine, b/c one would need
>>>> to change address later, and
>>>> >>> >> > searching for pre-graduation
>>>> threads is more easily.
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> > For SVN I don't see a benefit.
>>>> The repos can be moved with less effort
>>>> >>> >> > once component is graduated. I
>>>> would like to avoid to get something
>>>> >>> >> > into the sandbox which is not
>>>> cleared from legal perspective. What, if
>>>> >>> >> > OGNL fails in the incubator and
>>>> we just forget to remove the code from
>>>> >>> >> > the sandbox? If its in the
>>>> incubator part, it is like a tag
>>>> >>> >> > saying:"beware"
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> > I would be +1 on user/dev ML but
>>>> leave SVN in incubator
>>>> >>> >> > Is there a need to create a pmc
>>>> ML for OGNL to discuss incubation
>>>> >>> >> > related matters?
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> > Cheers
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> What Incubator PMCs think
>>>> about it?
>>>> >>> >> >> Simo
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>>> >>> >> >> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:34
>>>> AM, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>> >> >>> Below is a thread from
>>>> the Commons Dev list in which I'm recommending
>>>> >>> >> >>> that OGNL use the
>>>> commons dev mailing list and that the svn
>>>> >>> >> >>> permissions allow the
>>>> ognl committers and the commons committers to
>>>> >>> >> >>> have read write access.
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>    http://commons.markmail.org/thread/ku3ouuilpiicb5is
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>> Is this a concern for
>>>> anyone?
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>> OGNL's target is to
>>>> graduate into Commons rather than to TLP, so
>>>> >>> >> >>> making it act like a TLP
>>>> seems destined to cause problems.
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>> Hen
>>>> >>> >> >>>
>>>> >>> >> >>>
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