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From Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Unnecessary etiquette rule
Date Thu, 19 May 2011 13:45:35 GMT
2011/5/19 Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:00 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <rdonkin@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> On 05/19/11 06:34, Phil Steitz wrote:
>> > On 5/18/11 9:36 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>> >> The following rule seems unnecessary to me:
>>
>
> +1
>
> It should not be a rule.
>
> Does anyone know Maven enough to write a "svn-report" like there is a
> "jira-report"?

maybe http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-changelog-plugin/

>
> Gary
>
>
>> >>
>> >>   http://wiki.apache.org/commons/CommonsEtiquette#Commons_Etiquette
>> >>
>> >> "each committer who commits to a component must add their name to the
>> >> STATUS file" (or pom.xml)
>> >>
>> >> I've never done this, have touched every component (give or take a
>> >> component or two) and have never had negative feedback*. Either
>> >> everyone's being very polite or it's not actually a necessary piece of
>> >> etiquette :)
>> >
>> > Well, now that you mention it, your wanton pillaging has left a
>> > trail of devastation and fear in the hearts of Commoners across the
>> > realm  - he he.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> > Seriously, I think that as stated, the rule is obsolete; but the
>> > spirit of it is good.  When that was originally written, components
>> > were all independently built using Ant, sites were, lets just say
>> > "diverse," mostly built using Anakia, and most of what people worked
>> > on was actual code internal to the components.  So when you started
>> > committing to a component, that meant you were going to really get
>> > into its code and join the little subcommunity that was working on
>> > it.  You signaled that by adding yourself to the STATUS file.
>> >
>> > Partly because we have added complexity and inter-dependency to the
>> > build and site generation processes, partly because people have
>> > shown willingness and interest in doing these things, we now have a
>> > decent incidence of people "touching" components without really
>> > jumping in to the code that deeply.  I think that is a *good thing*
>> > as it helps keep the code and sites in better shape.
>>
>> +1
>>
>> > I still think it is a good idea for us to keep something like a
>> > STATUS file up to date indicating who the active committers are for
>> > each component.  I am not sure, honestly, if the pom.xml team list
>> > is the right place for this, though; as it is more
>> > externally-facing, gets published as part of releases, etc.  The
>> > current poms are also full of references to people who have not
>> > contributed in quite a while.  The value of having a team list that
>> > committers add themselves to and drop off of is that adding oneself
>> > is a statement of real interest in the component and willingness to
>> > help move it forward.  There are some old Wiki pages somewhere where
>> > we started to track this kind of thing; but IMO the component's svn
>> > is a better place.
>> >
>> > So bottom line is I think the rule should stand with s/commits to a
>> > component/makes a nontrivial change to a component/ and  s/STATUS
>> > file (or pom.xml)/not sure, maybe stay with pom/
>> > I also think we agree to take ourselves off of the lists when we are
>> > no longer contributing or seriously thinking about it - similar to
>> > the unwritten rule about taking yourself off a PMC.
>>
>> sounds reasonable to me :-)
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> (who made a foolish promise at Apache Retreat to take a look at Nick's
>> validator patch and see whether it makes sense)
>>
>> (my computer time is still limited so please limit those expectations)
>>
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>
>
> --
> Thank you,
> Gary
>
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