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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:50:08 +0100
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Subject: Re: [discuss][Digester] The future of Digester an the Digester3 in
 sandbox - Take2
From: Simone Tripodi <simonetripodi@apache.org>
To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
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Hi Matt!!!
I noticed 2 important points I'd like to discuss:

1) generally speaking, the bigger part of the users are lazy: they
just want to grab latest released artifact of XXX component with Maven
and use it, so it is hard to obtain feedbacks from APIs not released
yet;
2) committers/PMCs interested on Digester is reduced: we got two +1s,
one +0 and I didn't express my opinion (If I would have done it, in my
country they would have called me Mafia guy :D )

I didn't understand when you wrote "I'm certainly not going to twist
your arm": of course you wouldn't do it physically :D but I didn't
understand in which sense :P

Have a nice day, all the best!
Simo

http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/


On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Simone Tripodi
> <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi all guys,
>> looks like there's not enough activity/interest on new Digester, I
>> suggest to suspend this topic for a while and come speaking about it
>> until there will be interest from the users.
>> Thanks to all that took part of the discussion!
>> All the best, have a nice day,
>> Simo
>
> Personally, I think that just because the users aren't clamoring for
> the new API doesn't mean they wouldn't like it if Digester3 were
> released. =C2=A0At the same time, I'm certainly not going to twist your
> arm.
>
> Matt
>
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Simone Tripodi
>> <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> thanks for the trust guys!!! I won't express my vote, it would be too
>>> incorrect IMHO. I'll keep my finger crossed to see at least the 3
>>> consensus :)
>>> Have a nice weekend!
>>> Simo
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Phil Steitz <phil.steitz@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/19/11 4:54 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Rahul,
>>>>>>> thanks once again for the wise suggestions, much more than apprecia=
ted!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I underestimated the importance of the users over the active
>>>>>>> developers, so I totally agree with you, moving to dormant is
>>>>>>> premature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was aware about breaking APIs compatibility, since we had to face
>>>>>>> the same problem also in [pool2], I thought it would have been a go=
od
>>>>>>> idea implementing the sandbox in the o.a.c.digester3[1] package, lo=
oks
>>>>>>> like it is compliant to the suggestions you proposed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like your idea of branching 1.X, 2.X and put 3 on trunk, shall we
>>>>>>> call a vote before going on?
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> I don't think we need a VOTE on this, I would say wait a couple of m=
ore days to make sure we have (lazy) consensus and then just do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I care for more process, but I'd like to see 3+ of us say
>>>>> this is the API they'd like to see for digester3. We also generally
>>>>> require votes for getting stuff out of sandbox so a vote may not be a
>>>>> bad idea (even if this isn't a new component, its a new API -- and
>>>>> somewhere in there, the lines are blurred). I'm +0.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hesitate to throw in an opinion as I've never really used digester, =
but I quite like the API personally, and would +1 this.
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>>>> -Rahul
>>>>>
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