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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: [pool] time to move groupId?
Date Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:12:36 GMT
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 5:52 PM, James Carman
<> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Niall Pemberton
> <> wrote:
>> Consistency is good, but deciding something based purely on
>> *consistency* rather than the merits of the situation is mindless.
> Trying to keep things consistent is being mindful of the user's needs.
>  The consistency is part of the situation.  When you go to pool
> version 3, you'll have:
> 1.x - commons-pool:common-pool with package org.apache.commons.pool
> 2.x - org.apache.commons:commons-pool with package org.apache.commons.pool2
> 3.x - org.apache.commons:commons-pool3 with package org.apache.commons-pool3

Pointing this out is great. Whatever the pool developers decide, then
they do it knowing what Lang has done and knowing a possible
consequence of their decision. I'm all for taking part in the
discussion and giving opinions and pointing out what other components
have done. Thats all good stuff.

> Makes lots of sense to the users.

By the time theres a pool 3 it may be irrelevant. Who knows what Maven
will be like, or even if it will be the build system of choice for
pool. So it may be doing something in anticipation of a situation that
never occurs. Even if it does I doubt the users of pool will have much
difficulty in understanding the situation.

> Again, it comes down to "you don't work on this project so stay out of
> its damn business" and "the release manager is doing the work so they
> can do whatever the hell they want."  So, why don't we just do what
> Incubator does and have a mini-PMC for each subproject since you don't
> want other members of the Commons PMC butting their noses into a
> project they don't actively participate in?

Thats not what I'm saying. This is a pool discussion, which I've never
contributed to and I'm butting in. As I said before thats a good
thing. But theres a big difference between taking part in a discussion
and trying to impose rules/requirements at a Commons level.


> At this point, I really don't care what you guys do.  In the grand
> scheme of things, it has absolutely zero impact on me what you do with
> this code.  I'm tired of arguing about this stuff all the time.

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