On 9/17/10 3:19 PM, Luc Maisonobe wrote:
> Le 17/09/2010 19:55, Ted Dunning a écrit :
>> There are also online percentile estimation methods that require only a
>> single pass over the data in order to get good estimates of several quantile
>> at the same time.
>>
>> If you are interested in getting an estimate of some quantile of the
>> underlying distribution that generated your data then these online methods
>> will give you an estimate that is very nearly as accurate as sorting your
>> sample. Sorting gives you the exact quantiles of your sample, but only an
>> estimate of the quantiles of your underlying distribution.
>>
>> There is a simplified implementation of this in Mahout along with test cases
>> that demonstrate reasonable accuracy.
>>
>> These techniques are well described in the article: *Incremental Quantile
>> Estimation for Massive
>> Tracking<http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.105.1580>
>> *
>> *
>> *
>> *(available at
>> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.105.1580 )*
>
> Thanks for the pointer, it looks interesting.
>
>> *
>> *
>> *Regarding the incremental selection method to find multiple quantiles, I
>> think that you save a little bit if you are looking for a few quantiles, but
>> the added complexity and special cases are going to make testing difficult.
>> Wouldn't it be better to use one of the following strategies:*
>> *
>> *
>> * keep a copy of the sorted data and if that copy is available, just use
>> it. This cuts the cost of 100 quantiles probed incrementally to a single
>> sort.
>
> This is exactly what this user did: put the sort out of the loop.
>
>> Moreover, since sort is n log n without a radix sort, then the
>> increment selection algorithm can only win if 100< log n which is pretty
>> unlikely.*
>
> I don't understand. Partitionbased selection algorithms are basically
> partitionbased sort algorithm where we recurse in only one of the
> partition once the pivot has been chosen. Subsequent calls therefore
> don't restart from an array of size n but from smaller subarrays, has
> the pivot can be saved (at least the top level ones). If at the end the
> number of selections is so high the array ends up to be completely
> sorted, the total cost is probably not much higher than what an initial
> sort would have done. It will be higher since their are some bookkeeping
> to do, but not so much higher I think. Doing one call corresponds to
> resuming the partial sort from the state resulting from previous calls.
>
> Did I miss something ?
>
>
>> *
>> *
>> * add a method to probe multiple quantiles at the same time. This
>> potentially uses less memory than the first approach, but is dependent on
>> the user calling the right method.*
>
> Since there are different use case, having several methods seems fair. A
> multiple quantiles method is a good idea.
>
>> *
>> *
>> * use the online algorithm mentioned above with two passes, one to
>> estimate the quantiles of interest, a second to refine the estimate using
>> the actual data. This allows the multiple probe method to be linear in time
>> and should give you exact sample quantiles. It doesn't help the repeated
>> probe problem.*
>
> I'm not sure I understand well. However, the online method by itself
> would be an interesting addition. It would allow quantiles computation
> with the Storeless versions of our classes.
+1  definitely valuable for the storeless case.
I need to think about this some more / see some patches; but my
initial reaction is that we can get a big bang from just doing what
the user did (caching the sorted array and inserting into it when
addValue is called) for the datainmemory impls. I would suggest
implementing that for for Percentile itself (taking care to handle
addValue and rolling windows correctly) and DescriptiveStatistics;
but add a new (storelesss) statistic based on an incremental
quantile estimation algorithm and make this accessible via the
storeless aggregate, SummaryStatistics. It might be interesting to
include this optionally with DescriptiveStatistics as well, so that
in the rolling window case you could compare the current window
distribution to the full sample.
Phil
>
> Luc
>
>> *
>> *
>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Luc Maisonobe<Luc.Maisonobe@free.fr>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> During a recent face to face discussion with some commonsmath users
>>> from a large project, it appeared one implementation choice for
>>> Percentile statistics was a huge performance bottleneck.
>>>
>>> When the Percentile.evaluate method is called, the sample array is
>>> copied and sorted. In one use case, 100 calls were made for each sample,
>>> so the same array was sorted 100 times. In another use case, only one
>>> call is made (typically to compute the median) but the user wondered why
>>> the array should be completely sorted. In fact, using a selection
>>> algorithm instead of a sorting algorithm would be sufficient.
>>>
>>> I would like to have you opinion about providing a different evaluate
>>> method that would process an array provided previously and use only
>>> selections to provide the percentile. Consider for example the following
>>> input array:
>>>
>>> [ 6, 8, 4, 5, 0, 2, 7 ]
>>>
>>> If we first as for the median, a selection algorithm may reorganize the
>>> array as:
>>>
>>> [ 6, 0, 5, 2, 8, 4, 7 ]
>>>
>>> were the left part is smaller than the central element, the right part
>>> is larger and hence the central element 2 is known to be the median.
>>>
>>> Then we ask for another value, the 25% percentile. Since the object
>>> already knows the smaller elements are in the left part, it can use a
>>> select algorithm on the 3 elements left part and extract the value 5
>>> without even trying to sort the upper part of the array.
>>>
>>> What do you think ?
>>>
>>> Luc
>>>
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