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From Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Commons Time?
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:56:17 GMT
Isn't it a catch 22? How can you build on something that isn't stable?
We risk creating API wrappers that break when Java Time goes through a
revision. Stephen has solicited much feedback and at times things do
change (like class renamings).

Paul

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Craig L Russell<Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I might not understand the intent of the Commons Time stuff, but I assumed
> that it's stuff that doesn't belong in the Time package itself but builds on
> Time.
>
> The idea of building it now while the JSR is still incomplete is to provide
> some features now and not wait possibly years before the JSR completes.
>
> Craig
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Paul Benedict wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we're approaching this wrong. If we need common utilities for
>> a JSR that's yet to be released, why not submit them straight to
>> Stephen? I don't see why Apache should take this on while the JSR
>> isn't finished.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Craig L Russell<Craig.Russell@sun.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Henri,
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:16 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Until the new time stuff is in Java - I'm hesistant to have it in
>>>> Lang. Yet I also don't want to do anymore work on Date based code in
>>>> Lang :)
>>>
>>> It might be years before there's an update to Java SE (Sun/Oracle's
>>> intentions regarding a new JSR in which 310 would go aren't at all
>>> clear).
>>>
>>> If stuff in Lang is supposed to be in sync with Java SE, maybe not good
>>> to
>>> put Time in there.
>>>
>>> But I don't see any issues with a new Commons Time sub-project. I'd hope
>>> that Commons Time would move faster than Java SE anyway...
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Paul Benedict<pbenedict@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather see it in Commons Lang.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Henri Yandell<flamefew@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pondering an idea of a Commons Time package that would sit on top
of
>>>>>> Joda Time/JSR 310. Lang's time package functionality would go in
>>>>>> there, along with various enhancement ideas. The less core stuff
than
>>>>>> the JSR handles. Items like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * DateSequence, which would handle an open issue [LANG-347] for a
>>>>>> 'addWeekDays' type item. Rather than adding and changing the date,
you
>>>>>> would walk along the sequence and get the date. Or something.
>>>>>> * RandomDate [LANG-350]
>>>>>> * DateFormatUtils
>>>>>> * DateUtils (definitely rewritten on top of Joda)
>>>>>> * DurationFormatUtils (likewise)
>>>>>> * FastDateFormat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably not StopWatch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, pondering people's thoughts; plus any info Stephen might
have
>>>>>> on whether this is insane or not :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hen
>>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
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>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>

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