Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 99133 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 23:21:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 13 May 2009 23:21:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 43679 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2009 23:21:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 43548 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2009 23:21:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@commons.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 43538 invoked by uid 99); 13 May 2009 23:21:40 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:21:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [77.238.189.20] (HELO smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com) (77.238.189.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Wed, 13 May 2009 23:21:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 33544 invoked from network); 13 May 2009 23:21:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=Fffa2wuRieSG+RylJtEsZA1YdpOnG/sYlyi2bHPrTWp7j7wY8zZay98/T0KvqTu4pat3fX5dDgV8ue7enC1WM2G6zjUND7yco4LRHr9jxr3NFocsqMqRa0mL7UjvuZdQ+xccSUFSOjVdhyGxYV+AZ9+Ik2fhK/sWprDWWltQZYI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (scolebourne@86.146.89.145 with plain) by smtp815.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2009 23:21:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RkavXnAVM1nEzthDbF6XUWGOmdH7jCXHGiEpzx6HQCEAr5IkIIFILQEy85EDvLkkHSrfz8Pv_b7sZ62Thm7s2sau26mrBLhzjAjJEtb2y3uBC9fN0mC4hbZBsnS0RHIZWBaDBxxoyF.vt3MwFE6WXQikZ9.mBylau9x7laXdnsMDBIz2lPJgmtGlZap6d9wVvovT4alyCl6DPgx4xOuYrvOOM4ZS0rlvIKpdSnyY2nW44GRDK7870JvOfvswAwKKGPRmifhgoZeXufDjn3DOqd3vNfz7zguf0jVmEfLsdE1jFkzNy2GWq1hQAdmjYZH9wrb5ZOlzB5LYsQXSp5cxFAWXz6BI X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4A0B55E2.4050309@btopenworld.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:21:06 +0100 From: Stephen Colebourne User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [all] Rebooting commons projects References: <607889.43671.qm@web55106.mail.re4.yahoo.com> <96C9653C-4445-4B67-AA81-1E1BC9447CF9@dslextreme.com> <4A05F456.8020601@btopenworld.com> <31cc37360905091827t88cf01dke8561517c872f069@mail.gmail.com> <4A0A026E.6080608@btopenworld.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090513-0, 13/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org James Carman wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Stephen Colebourne > wrote: >> Lets also say that the new project name cannot be numerically based, so no >> [lang2] or [lang5] projects, thats way too confusing. But [lang-ng] would be >> ok. > > And, when we want to "reboot" again, we name it [lang-nng]? STOP everyone, please! Go back and read the original email. The name of the new project isn't the point of this discussion at all. Right now I don't give a damn about the name. The point of my proposal was to say that we should be creating new projects in new packages that aim to tackle the same problem-space but in a new way. That new way is to receive the innovation of a new approach, removing the baggage of the past. But keeping the concept of the original problem space (such as "more implementations of collections"). The new project approach gains the freedom which has constrained everyone for too long. Stephen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org