Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 17535 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2009 21:56:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 18 Apr 2009 21:56:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 71612 invoked by uid 500); 18 Apr 2009 21:56:11 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-commons-dev-archive@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 71486 invoked by uid 500); 18 Apr 2009 21:56:11 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@commons.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: "Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@commons.apache.org Received: (qmail 71475 invoked by uid 99); 18 Apr 2009 21:56:11 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:56:11 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.43.132] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.43.132) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:56:02 +0000 Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n3ILtgd2010539 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KIB00900GNCSS00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for dev@commons.apache.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.13] (c-98-207-88-57.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.207.88.57]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KIB00MKKGWTHS40@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 14:55:41 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Sanselan as a Commons library In-reply-to: <49EA4574.3060307@gmail.com> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Commons Developers List Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-127--208463619 References: <016B2C6D-03AF-4A70-B18D-0F6CD5953659@SUN.com> <49EA4574.3060307@gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-127--208463619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil, On Apr 18, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> The last item before graduation is activity and diversity, which >> are lacking. There were a few developers during the project but now >> we have only one active developer. And it's not clear that we will >> be able any time soon to attract more developers to fulfill the >> requirements. >> >> While discussing Sanselan in the incubator, it appears that there >> are three end points for the podling: >> >> 1. Fail incubation and reject Sanselan >> 2. Continue (indefinitely?) to incubate Sanselan >> 3. Graduate Sanselan as a sub-project of another TLP >> >> It appears to many of us that option 3 is the best way forward. >> >> It also appears that Commons might be a good fit for the project. >> > Before getting into the administrative questions below, the first > question to ask is can we grow a community around this component in > commons. There is a small community. There are 31 subscribers to the dev list (5 or so are administrative/mentor subscriptions). There is a small but steady stream of email to the alias. There have been two committers, one of whom is currently active. > The lack of activity is a concern. Is anyone interested in coding > on this? The primary author is still committed to the project. There have been code contributions but it appears to me that the product mostly works as advertised. If it doesn't work, users write in, sometimes contributing a patch. So bottom line, there is a small community but not likely to grow into a full TLP-sized project. Craig > > Phil > Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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