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Subject: Re: [vote] releasing jci RC3 as 1.0 ...maybe this time?
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On 13/06/07, Luc Maisonobe <Luc.Maisonobe@free.fr> wrote:
> Torsten Curdt a =E9crit :
> >>> But seriously: be realistic. Those people building the releases from
> >>> will have subversion on their machine. And what can be simpler than a
> >>> one-liner to checkout the sources? Even downloading it from an apache
> >>> mirror is more work.
> >>
> >> People may have subversion but may not be able to use it.
> >>
> >> For example, I cannot use svn (nor cvs for that matter) through my
> >> corporate firewall.
> >
> > Wait a sec - you cannot use http from your development machine?
>
> http is fine from browsers that handle proxy with username/password,
> https was allowed only recently and may be shut down at any time, svn,
> ssh, cvs pserver are all filtered.
> Configuring svn clients to handle proxy username/password is not
> straightforward. For command-line svn it is handled by the user
> configuration file for servers, not by command-line options. I don't
> know about graphical clients or IDE embedded clients.
>
> I also know another company where http filtering is more strict, with
> files without any extension suppressed, files with some extensions
> suppressed, files modified on the fly to comply with some rules,
> user-agent is checked to allow only certified browsers to connect ...
> For example on this network, these so called =AB security rules =BB
> prevented me from downloading security upgrades for Debian computers
> (which are simple binary files downloads on an http server) ...
>
> >
> >> When I need a package that is only available by
> >> checking out from its repository, I have to check it out from home, pu=
t
> >> it on an USB stick and copy it the next day at work. It is very
> >> inconvenient.
> >
> > That's a truly sad story ...but we cannot provide a good solution for
> > every awkward workplace.
>
> I agree this is weird and cannot be generalized. I also agree that in
> the Apache case, this can be circumvented as anonymous access to the
> subversion server is http-based. I only wanted to point out that since a
> version control system is not a publication system, using it for that
> purpose may be tough for some people.
>
> > What would you think - how many percent of the developers that require
> > to build a project from the source have no http access to the internet?
> > Well, for jci I will personally send them a tar of the checkout - if
> > they have email :-p

Source is not only needed for building the binary; it's also useful to
have access for debugging purposes in IDEs.

> I would only advise to have a simple and classical way to distribute: an
> archive on a web server people can retrieve using a web browser.

+1

> Well, this is only my view and it is probably distorted, you can ignore i=
t.

It's my view too.

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