Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-commons-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 62283 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 16:39:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 16:39:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 72564 invoked by uid 500); 26 Apr 2006 16:39:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-commons-dev-archive@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 72456 invoked by uid 500); 26 Apr 2006 16:39:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact commons-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Reply-To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 72407 invoked by uid 99); 26 Apr 2006 16:39:02 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:39:02 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of mfncooper@gmail.com designates 64.233.166.183 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.166.183] (HELO pproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.166.183) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:39:00 -0700 Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t32so1645105pyc for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SCj2yAl6NRUsOV7T+2zB48nqQ3LU5aKiJNHirY+CqXjhFSLwshP8cEH8GbTiGBbAo7Nf/GInofkQgEAnqdKttV129P0GYOaVVTuIT5NXZ3BgtRXZg2coeH7y8hz4jzXCoeC48GsZ8h7gjUlLoX+1Lks4sq6SzmHOQ9FNrcpe/Rs= Received: by 10.35.50.9 with SMTP id c9mr1045851pyk; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.100.2 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16d6c6200604260938n609698b5x4ec6c2ef0ff94cb0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0700 From: "Martin Cooper" Sender: mfncooper@gmail.com To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" Subject: Re: [all] Jira? In-Reply-To: <444F1013.1020509@ops.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1466_27111579.1146069516642" References: <31cc37360604252145g1c82264amfc0a30ce6de59e94@mail.gmail.com> <444F1013.1020509@ops.co.at> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_1466_27111579.1146069516642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 4/25/06, Mario Ivankovits wrote: > > Hi! > > I know Jelly are on Jira already, and Struts have just moved over to > > Jira. Wondering what the view is nowadays on Commons moving to Jira? > > > I am -1 on moving to jira. > > I dont understand why we - the open source developers and our users - > should help testing a commercial application. > And given that even for a mid-size company the minimum required license > is the "professional" one - and its update policy - it is a rather > expensive thing. Expensive? It's one of the least expensive enterprise-grade applications I've ever seen! At $4,800 for an enterprise license and a $2,400 annual upgrade, it's a steal. The serious competitors run into tens of thousands o= f dollars for an enterprise license. Also, JIRA is free for all non-profit an= d charitable organisations, and for open source. Also I dont understand whats the great benefit for us - compared to > bugzilla - that we act as a marketing plattform for jira. We're no more a marketing platform for it than any of the other open source organisations that use it. As others have pointed out, many projects - and = I do mean *many* projects - at the ASF already use it. See: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa One other point: JIRA is a glowing example of what open source can do. It i= s built upon a ton of other open source projects, some of which were even founded by the JIRA authors themselves. As for features, I think the dashboard is very valuable, as is the project summary, and the ability to use it for planning and roadmap tracking in a *much* more usable manner than Bugzilla. -- Martin Cooper Sorry if I completely missed the point. Do not hesitate to correct me. > Ciao, > Mario > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: commons-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: commons-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org > > ------=_Part_1466_27111579.1146069516642--