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From Henri Yandell <flame...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Project Proposal?
Date Fri, 05 Aug 2005 06:37:24 GMT
Out of interest, why java.net and not sandbox? :)

Before that sounds like a witch-hunt, I'm as guilty in that I start
all my stuff at osjava.org and I can definitely list some reasons why.

Some may be bad:
* Embaressment for dumb ideas :)
* Don't want to be weighed down by a weighty release system.
* Big painful website.
* Might compete with another Commons component.

Some may be good:
* Does the ASF want single-person codebases when an idea doesn't pan out.
* If it fails, I'd then be forking it elsewhere which feels worse than
just starting elsewhere.

What if we had a location within which ASF committers can bring their
half-cocked component ideas? Try to encourage migration to the ASF and
its benefits:

* bandwidth, though sf.net and java.net can solve that too. So can
building your own system to the level of Codehaus.
* legal protection.
* better user acceptance.
* community.

If we couple this with:

* much better management of the sandbox, and components that have failed.
* a plan for mature components.

could we pick things up in terms of vibrancy? My biggest worry would
be whether the mailing list becomes a bottleneck.

Half-baked idea (it's late): Each component has its own mail alias
which gets forwarded to particular lists. These lists could represent
the state of maturity of a component. Probably crap, just throwing it
out.

One question I'd like to ask is whether we would accept mature components. 

Take http://www.osjava.org/norbert/, HttpClient said they were
interested in using it and the thought was to put it in Commons. My
only concern is that I can't see a lot more to do with it code-wise,
so I'm hesitant to dump it in Commons, and yet I think it's a good
tiny component that could do with being more open.

Hen

On 8/4/05, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well, I went ahead and started the project over at java.net, but we can move
> it later if need be.  It's a dependency injection framework called
> "syringe."  The project uses the Apache License, Version 2.0.  It's still
> "pending approval" at java.net, so you guys won't be able to see anything
> yet.  It should be approved soon though.

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