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Subject [Jakarta-commons Wiki] Update of "CommonsCsv" by HenriYandell
Date Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:58:49 GMT
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Proposal for commons-csv

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= Proposal =

Proposal to submit the Netcetera CSV library to the ASF as Jakarta Commons CSV, or 
potentially as a sub-package of another Commons component (io/codec/lang).

== Rationale ==

There have been requests for an ASL compatible licensed Java library for parsing 
Comma Separated Values (CSV) files. The latest user threads ( 
lead to, which as of this document has not yet seen any activity.

A lot of interest was exhibited in the idea of a Commons CSV, and in discussing the 
various codebases that could be used initially, a code donation from Netcetera was 
deemed the best option to start with. Thus the need to go via the Incubator.

CSV parsing is not as basic as it might first seem due to differences in platforms, and 
wide differences in interpretations of the de-facto specification. Commons CSV would 
have to publish their own interpretation of said de-facto specification.

== Scope ==
 * Java components to read and write CSV files.
 * An interpretation specification.
 * Variants on the formatting of the CSV files.
 * Potentially SAX/DOM style APIs to handle the parsing.

== Initial source ==

Two basic compatible libraries exist ( by Brian McCallister
and by Henri Yandell), which could 
be considered (authors willing) as the basis for a CSV library, and Netcetera have offered

to donate their internal CSV component, which on paper looks to be far superior.

Current plan is to go with the Netcetera codebase.

== Known risks ==

As a mature component, the Netcetera library may after careful thought be considered to not

need extensive development. It would thus become a mature Apache codebase (not in itself a
thing) and could lack maintenance due to a short development period at the ASF.

The Netcetera developers may not end up getting very involved beyond their initial 
(very much appreciated) code donation. Folding the skife and gj-csv feature-sets in, and ending

those projects should build up as much of a community as a commons component requires.

== Other open-source examples ==

Besides the afore-mentioned libraries (skife + gj-csv), Stephen Ostermiller has long had a

GPL'd CSV library ( Going by his website he has no
to re-licence:

"Could it be licensed under something less restrictive?
   Many people request they receive a copy of the utilities licensed under the Library General

   Public License (LGPL) or a BSD style license. The answer is firmly "no". 
   Those Licenses do not ensure that derivative works remain liberated. If such a license
were given, 
   the libraries could then be used in closed source applications."

There are also libraries out there that approach the problem from a different angle. 

 * CSV via JDBC API (
 * CSV via XML API (

but these are definite niche concepts and not the general desired use case.

== Source submission plan ==

The following Java packages will be submitted:

||'''Package name'''       ||'''Purpose'''||
||org.apache.commons.csv.* ||CSV          ||

== Resources ==
svn: /incubator/jakarta/commons/csv

The existing Jakarta Commons mailing lists will be used. 

== Legal ==

 * Software Grant would be needed from Netcetera (?).
 * Netcetera Corporate CLA already exists, need to find out if a new one would be needed.
 * Skife (brianm@apache) and gj-csv (bayard@apache) both have CLAs.

== Initial committers ==

 * Steven Caswell (
 * Brian McCallister (
 * Henri Yandell (
 * Urs Hardegger (original coder) (?)
 * Stefan Rufer (submitter) (?)

== Apache sponsor/champion ==

Henri Yandell (

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