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From Ceki Gülcü <>
Subject Re: jcl blog post
Date Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:02:30 GMT

Yes, I do have a problem with JCL, a totally defective piece of
software, which makes life very difficult, if not impossible, for
log4j users. The way Craig systematically dismisses legitimate
criticism against the software he authored is also quite disturbing.

If you read his emails, JCL has only minor problems in "corner"
cases. Otherwise, people would be complaining wouldn't they? But for
the vast majority of users, the priority is solving the problem not
complaining in some mailing list. It also happens that the fastest way
of solving JCL related problems is abandoning the use of log4j in
favor of java.util.logging.

When maybe 1 user out of 10'000 users does complain, the complaint is
quickly ascribed to inability to read instructions, i.e. incompetence
by the user in question.

The current situation whereby a piece of software distributed by the
Apache Software Foundation intentionally or unintentionally
*prohibits* the use of another piece of software also distributed by
the Apache Software Foundation cannot continue for much longer.

At 04:05 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote:
>You got issues.
>Ceki Gülcü wrote:
>>, it looks like you
>>are still in stage one, denial, with stage 5, acceptance, seemingly
>>out of reach.

Ceki Gülcü

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