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From Ceki Gülcü <>
Subject Re: [logging] Enterprise Common Logging... dare we say 2.0?
Date Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:05:35 GMT
At 10:31 PM 12/20/2004, robert burrell donkin wrote:

>IIRC we're never really gone for official consultations here at apache (or 
>at least the bits i've been involved with): too much committee, too little 
>community. i alerted ceki (who i've know and respected for too many years 
>even though we don't always agree) soon after i discovered this thread and 
>hoped that other interested folks from the logging project.
>jakarta commons has a slightly different focus and expertise. we're more 
>interested in bricks (small, compact reusable components with minimal 
>dependencies) than logging systems. the extensions proposed by richard 
>would allow components with enhanced logging requirements (such as 
>i18nable messages) to be added to the commons.
>so, in many ways it doesn't matter whether existing logging systems offer 
>these capabilities or not: what matters is whether there is a need for 
>this kind of enhanced logging for the kind of bricks built by the jakarta 
>commons. it's good people that logging experts have shown up to the party 
>but (so long as a need for this exists), the party would have happened anyway.

Official consultations at Apache might be a drag, but the last time I
checked, Jakarta Commons was part of the Apache Software Foundation. It
might not be a concern to this group, but keep in mind that the ASF
frowns upon mission-creep.

No doubt that your party would have happened without the participation
of LS. Unfortunately, LS often gets stuck cleaning up after your party

>- robert

Ceki Gülcü, Chairman of Apache Logging Services 

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