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From "Steven Caswell" <st...@mungoknotwise.com>
Subject Re: Distributions to include dependencies?
Date Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:27:48 GMT
I'm +1 to Henri's idea for this reason:

When I'm using a package that requires other jars, I typically install the package on my development
platform way ahead of the time when I'll be running maven. On some projects I never even run
maven on the development box. Having the dependent jars as part of the distro is very convenient
for setting up the development environment. I'd otherwise have to go manually find each one.

Steven Caswell
steve@mungoknotwise.com


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Phil Steitz <phil@steitz.com>
Reply-To: "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Date:  Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:09:01 -0500

>Henri Yandell wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 15:14:36 -0500, Phil Steitz <phil@steitz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not a huge issue for things like Lang which have no dependencies, but
>>>>for other things like Digester I think it would be a lot better if the
>>>>binary tar.gz contained the jars it depends on?
>>>
>>>Just my HO, but to me that defeats the purpose of
>>>ibiblio/java-repository.  It also bloats distros and adds to the
>>>effective contract of the distro and responsibility of the RM needlessly
>>>(Would doing this effectively require us to store whatever jars were
>>>grabbed at release time in cvs/svn?)  
>> 
>> 
>> Nope. The jars come from the ibiblio/java-repo at dist-time.
>
>That's what I mean.  The release would depend on jars grabbed from 
>external sources at dist-time.  Some would argue that everything 
>necessary to generate the release distribution should be under revision 
>control, so the exact contents of the release could be reproduced (or 
>verified) at a later time by checking out the tagged sources and 
>rebuilding.
>> 
>> A maven user would still use it in the same way, but maven users do
>> not use the tar.gz distributions, they use the jars in the repos.
>> 
>> 
>>>I may be in the minority here, but I have never liked the "bundle all
>>>dependencies for convenience" approach -- either as a user or as a
>>>developer.  As a user, I am never sure exactly what I am getting "in the
>>>bundled version"  <cut>
>> 
>> 
>> dependencies/commons-logging-1.0.3.jar
>> dependencies/commons-beanutils-1.7.jar
>> 
>> 
>>><cut> I understand that for complex products like
>>>  struts or tomcat, it may be impractical *not* to bundle dependencies;
>>>but I do not see it as necessary for commons components.
>> 
>> 
>> If I download the digester.tar.gz, I then need to download the
>> logging.tar.gz and the beanutils.tar.gz.
>
>Personally, I do not see this as a big deal.  Our mirrors are fast :-) 
>Maven handles it all seamlessly and for ant builds or web app 
>deployments, you generally want to place the jars manually anyway.
>
>Phil
>> 
>> Hen
>> 
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