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From "Eric Pugh" <>
Subject RE: Bug report normalization
Date Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:10:07 GMT
Adding more documentation would be nice for how to submit bugs.  There are
lots of unenforced rules in commons, like putting the component name in
emails.  While there are other ways that Emmanuel could have solved the
problem, at least now it is resolved.  And as we can see by the number of
"who manages bugzilla" that the ideas for changing templates etc will
probably remain just that, ideas.

While I was surprised by the 300 plus emails, I appreciate Emmanuel going in
and trying to clean up/ organize the bug tracker.  For me, it really
highlighted how MANY bugs we have.  It seems like while we are supposed to
take a collective ownership role over the various components, it seems like
we don't.  It looks, just judging by the number of open bugs, that quite a
few components have lost their champions.

Would this be a good time, now that quite a few components have been
promoted etc, to try and do some cleaning of house and fix the bugs?  Maybe
have each committer take a couple of issues and try and get them to a closed
status.  Either via "won't fix" or fixing them?

Maybe make next week "Bug Week" and someone (maybe me) could send out daily
stats on how we are doing?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel Bourg []
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:03 PM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: Bug report normalization
> Martin Cooper wrote:
> > I'm sure this has done wonders for the utility of the mailing
> list archives...
> I'm not trying to justify myself but the mail archives are already
> spammed by the CVS commits and the GUMP reports... Reading the archive
> is definitely not the best way to follow the discussions on the list for
> an external user.
> > If you really had to do this, it would have been a much better idea to
> > request that the mailer for Bugzilla changes was turned off while you
> > did it.
> Good idea but this would have affected the other Apache projects using
> Bugzilla. Maybe deleting the "assign to" field for the jakarta commons
> bugs only before the changes and restoring it after would have worked.
> > Who knows how many poor individuals have been spammed with
> > off-list notifications just because they were kind enough to submit
> > bug reports?
> >
> > Worse is the fact that these changes do nothing to solve the problem
> > going forward. Most people will still submit bug reports without the
> > component in the subject. The real solution would be to modify the
> > template used for sending out the messages in the first place, so that
> > the component name is included. Of course, if we do this now, the
> > component name would be included in the subject twice...
> Good point, maybe we could update the jakarta bug page
> ( or put a similar page at the
> jakarta-commons level explaining the prefered form for bug reports
> (component name in brackets, test case appreciated, etc...)
> Emmanuel Bourg
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